Two interesting places in the Bible, Bethel and Megiddo.

by Crazyguy 6 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Crazyguy

    First if one looks into the place Bethel this is where the king of Israel sets up golden calves and tells his people here is your God's go here and to Dan to worship. He didn't want his People going all the way down to Jerusalem. He also made his own priests again to take worship away from Jerusalem and it's priests the levites. The other area is the place called Megiddo also know for the famous place called Armageddon. What's interesting about this place is I can find no evidence of an Israelite or Jewish army ever winning a battle at Megiddo. Josiah supposedly went their and was killed battling the Egyptian king Neco.

    So I guess my point to this is we used to all worship in a organization that's head quarters is named Bethel after a place the Bible claims was a place of false worship. And this great war at Armageddon that is to be fought is mentioning a place that the great god of the Jews never won at. Yet the Egyptian God was victorious on several occasions. Interesting.

  • Phizzy

    Yes ! we missed the significance of all of this as JW's !

    In the O.T there are many clues as to the reality of the real "Israel" and the real Judah, once you start to read the O.T without the WT/JW Specs on, and with a modicum of scholarship, you begin to see the evolution from Pantheism, through Henotheism to eventual Monotheism, which latter I have a gut feeling only existed in the mind of the Priestly Class.

    I think that a syncretism, and some outright paganism, continued almost to the 1st Century, but of course, only the literate Priestly class recorded their history.

    Just my 2 Cents.

  • Mephis
    Bethel. House of God or House of El. What's in a name? ;)
  • dbq407
    Also Bethel was where 40 kids were killed by a bear for teasing a bald guy. Two bad instances mentioned in the bible about Bethel. Its a bad place by WT standards.
  • fulltimestudent
    Crazyguy : First if one looks into the place Bethel this is where the king of Israel sets up golden calves

    Sorry CG, feeling facetious this morning (happens occasionally). Did you know that one of the golden calves grew up to become a golden bull?
    Said bull now resides in Huaxi village, Jiangsu Province, which is known as "China's richest village" - a village that was once as poor as most villages once were in China. The village now boasts a 328 metre high five star hotel, and somewhere within said building, the golden bull is located, cast from one ton of 24 carat gold:
    The 1-ton 24K gold bull sculpture unveiled in the newly completed 328-meter-tall New Village Building in Huaxi village in Jiangyin city in eastern China's Jiangsu province

    Is there a prophetic significance?
    Must be, or the bible is completely useless in satisfying our need to understand the world in the second or third generation after 1914 and the fading of the seventh world power, and with the eighth world power being so helpless that one wonders why it was necessary for YHWH/JESUS to prophesy about its existence.
    (link: Image of the golden bull from the UK Telegraph: )

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Megiddo is significant because this is where the last great battle before the Millennium takes place. Only this time, even enough overwhelmingly outnumbered, Jerusalem prevails. The WTS believes Armageddon will be a worldwide conflagration of good v. evil, in which Jehovah comes to the Earth and judges the people and nations. All the righteous will be resurrected and live in the paradisical glory enjoyed by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, whilst all the wicked will be destroyed or resurrected and then destroyed.

    In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo.
    So why is that? Why is there a great mourning in Jerusalem? The bad guys have just killed your best two assets, you're defenseless. You have no more weapons to unleash and then you suffer a major earthquake! Then you look heavenward and see a man descending out of the sky. It's the promised Messiah (or Jehovah, your call)...finally! What's there to be mournful about? Shouldn't this delivery from one's enemies be a celebratory event? But then there's that part about looking upon "me" whom they had "pierced."

    What would happen if the Jews ran into the valley to escape their enemies, and when they looked upon their Messiah, much to their astonishment, found themselves gazing on Jesus of Nazareth, the one whom their fathers slew by the hands of the Romans? The scripture mentions it would be like mourning for one's "only son" with a "bitterness" akin to someone losing "his firstborn."

    Yet the WTS misses the point entirely. As they explain it:

    Simply stated, the war of Har–Magedon is the future earth-wide battle in which Jehovah’s appointed King, Jesus Christ, will destroy God’s enemies. The Bible explains that these enemies, “the kings of the entire inhabited earth,” are mobilized by “expressions inspired by demons” and are gathered together “to the war of the great day of God the the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.”—Revelation 16:14, 16.

    The place where the warring parties gather is not literal. The name Har–Magedon, rendered “Armageddon” in some Bible translations, means “Mountain of Megiddo.” (Revelation 16:16, footnote) There has never been a mountain that bears that name. Furthermore, the kings of the earth and their armies” could not literally gather in one place. (Revelation 19:19) Rather, “the place” refers to the condition or situation into which earth’s political rulers and their supporters are led—one of opposition to Jehovah and to “the armies that were in heaven” under the military command of the “King of kings and Lord of lords,” Jesus Christ.—Revelation 19:14, 16.

    But how do they know that the place where the warring parties gather is not literal? Isn't prophecy literal by definition? If a prophet says something will come to pass at a certain place and time, what would it prove if the prophet's followers came back later and said, "Well of course it didn't happen that way! You took me literally! It actually did happen in 1912 in Pittsburgh, the spiritual Jerusalem!" Well, it would make the prophecy a laughing stock.
  • fulltimestudent
    Stop popping those pills CS, they're not good for you.

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