JW's Ransom Sacrifice Dogma

by The Fall Guy 8 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Jesus described himself as a 'ransom' (Matthew 20:28) and the following statement summarises the the fairy story which J.W.'s are sold as "truth" -

    w96 11/1 p. 9 par. 12 - “As the benefits of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice are progressively applied, the obedient subjects of God’s Kingdom will grow to perfection, becoming totally free from all the bad effects of Adam’s sin.”

    The “faithful slave” also states this - w85 1/15 p. 16 par. 5 - "The price had to be the equivalent of what was lost."

    Picture this:

    The 55 year old wife of a JW is kidnapped. He later receives a call telling him that unless he pays a ransom of $1,000,000, he will never see her again. He pays the ransom – and waits.

    Next day there's a knock on door. The kidnappers have sent the man back – not his 55 year old wife – but a beautiful 25 year old girl with an exquisite figure.

    Did the man's ransom buy back what was lost?

    Accepting the J.W. version of Jesus' ransom poses two serious problems:

    1) What Jesus “bought back” was not equivalent to what was lost, because he gained more than what was lost – 144,000 humans will become immortal king/priests in heaven.

    None of Adam's descendants were ever going to achieve such a powerful, heavenly status.

    2) Adam was immediately physically perfect in Eden. If J.W.'s are going to have to “grow to perfection” in order to “become totally free from all the bad effects of Adam’s sin,” then Christ's sacrifice wasn't payment enough to immediately buy back what was lost – it's going to take 1000 years to do so - according to the org.

  • truth_b_known

    He's got a point.

  • APieceOfShitNamedTate

    Stop using logic. You're making way too much sense and it's starting to make me uncomfortable.

  • I believe in overlapping
    I believe in overlapping

    Next day there's a knock on door. The kidnappers have sent the man back – not his 55 year old wife – but a beautiful 25 year old girl with an exquisite figure.

    But the husband is still 60-65 years old.


    So what beautiful 25 year old girl wants to stay with a 60-65 year old man?

    So the only logical thing to do is for the beautiful 25 year old girl to divorce the old man or put him in a nursing home and go looking for a 25 year old "Hot" Guy.


  • Vidiot

    Incidentally, the WT's understanding interpretation of Jesus' "ransom sacrifice" is the underlying reason they can never budge on evolution, in case anyone is curious.

  • ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara

    Where can I get a SWAP like this , old for younger ????


  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Yes what a real blessing Adam's sin was! Not only a ringside seat in heaven for some but all those billions who have had the privilege of dying from nasty painful diseases in order for a spirit ruler to show the world just who is in charge. Jehovah sounds like an insecure bully who wants revenge. None of it adds up.

    If you base your life on fairy stories how can you expect to know anything or understand anything? If you can't see that Adam and Eve is a simple creation myth then you still have an awful lot of growing up to do.

    And if there was no Adam-- there could be no "second Adam"-- it is very straightforward.

    Humans have been on the Earth for 300,000 years. Will Jesus' sacrifice cover our earliest ancestors and how about Neanderthals who interbred with humans--and Homo heidelbergensis and Homo erectus? Where would you draw the line??

  • blondie

    Progressively, just like the WTS dogma regarding the paradise on earth. Perfection will not come overnight but progressively. Some will reach perfection before others but all must be perfect by the end of the 1,000 year reign over the earthly paradise.

    I asked several elders separately over the years, how does one know they have reached perfection, it is not as if any have known a perfect person, or do the elders know when others reach that point? Is there some light over their head like at Pentecost that signaled the gathered Christians were anointed?

    Just reporting, not supporting

  • Vidiot
    blondie - "...how does one know they have reached perfection?"

    If some of the loopier, hard-core WT believers can be believed, when one has zero urge to cuss, drink, watch TV or movies, read anything other than the Bible, have sex...

    ...or (most horrifyingly) commit suicide for never being able to do any of those things.

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