What did President Trump say about Sweden?

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  • Ruby456

    Yes and the nazis used a recent bombing of a civilian site by an activist Jew to support their demonisation of all Jews

  • LoveUniHateExams

    a nice neighbour is all I really need my Muslim next door neighbour to be - wouldn't you be curious about your Muslim neighbours views on certain things?

    Would your Muslim neighbour treasure our freedoms and democracy, or would they secretly yearn for Sharia to rule?

  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic

    This is Rizwan Farook. His co-workers at the Department of Public Health described him as being a really nice guy. He liked to work on cars and regularly played basketball with his friends. When reporters interviewed his neighbor they said he was a great guy and had helped them mow their lawn just one week earlier.

    Seemingly out of the blue, Farook and his wife went on a shooting rampage in San Bernardino. Fourteen people were killed and another twenty-two were wounded.

    What wasn't known until later was that two years earlier Farook, a life long Muslim who went to Mosque every week, decided he wanted to get serious about learning the Quran. So he memorized it. The whole thing. And somewhere along the way in his studies he became radicalized.

    This wasn't a mental illness. This wasn't a man who was mad about US foreign politics. This wasn't someone who lost a child and was seeking revenge. This was a man who sincerely believed that committing jihad was the best way for him and his wife to get into paradise.

    And his story is NOT unique among jihadists. The men who flew the planes into the World Trade Center were doctors and engineers from good families. Nidal Hasan, the Fort Hood shooter, had a degree in biochemistry and went on to get his M.D. before turning to terrorism. Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez was an electrical engineer who killed four US marines and a Navy sailor in the Chattanooga shootings. Etc. Etc.

    Jihadist are often people who are well integrated in their communities with no prior mental health issues. They aren't crazy killers who happened to be Muslim. Rather, their middle and upper middle class american's who became radicalized by a dangerous ideology and carried out terrorism in the name of their religion.

  • cofty

    Beliefs that we held as JWs - apocalyptic beliefs and beliefs about non-JWs - are like a parasite that corrupts the mind. We should find it easy to understand Muslims.

    Some have recovered from the effects of the religion and some were immune. Others have an outward appearance of being healthy.

    People should be judged as individuals but sometimes the group they choose to belong to should rightly give us pause.

    The key difference is that infected JWs are waiting for god to bring Utopia. Muslims are commissioned to make it happen now by force. Therefore ISIS's ambition for a global Caliphate.

    Many of our Muslim neighbours are entirely safe. Mass immigration of young men from countries where fundamentalism is endemic can't end well.

  • Landy

    wouldn't you be curious about your Muslim neighbours views on certain things?

    Would your Muslim neighbour treasure our freedoms and democracy, or would they secretly yearn for Sharia to rule?

    No more than I would wonder if the nice couple on the other side are members of the KKK or BNP.

  • Simon

    The few members of the KKK that there are tend to be open about it and keen to tell everyone, so not the same thing. If we're to believe what people say, even these Jihadist's own families have trouble knowing if they are devout Muslims or Jihadists, almost as if there is no real difference other than the final acts - that one is just a decision away from the other.

    But back to the issue that amazingly, no one can ever explain. Not just here, but anyone, ever, on the planet.

    How come the people who follow Islamic doctrine the closest are promoted, only in the west, as "not real Muslims" but those who don't really follow it all are held up as great examples and "moderate" Muslims? Hint, it's only here: in the Islamic world it is reversed.

    What is the tipping point - how much and how closely do you need to follow Islam to suddenly *not* be a Muslim? And how little do you need to follow it to be a Muslim? If you don't follow any of it at all does it make you the ultimate Muslim? See how dumb the measure is?

    Shouldn't it be a simple question: What is the difference between a moderate Muslim and a Jihadist?

  • slimboyfat

    The difference is the faith of a moderate Muslim makes them an asset to the community.

    It's perfectly true that extremists of all kinds tend to disguise themselves. The problem arises when this is presented as a issue peculiar to Muslims. Or worse still, as above, when people aftempt to stigmatise the very category of "Muslim" to the extent of saying the only way to be a good Muslim is to be an ex-Muslim.

    Prejudice takes many forms and this kind reminds me of assimilationist anti-Semitism of nineteenth century Germany. It was argued that Judaism was a destructive ideology not really a religion (sound familiar?) that was incompatible with European values (sound familiar?) and the only way for Jews to be acceptable was to give up their religion because it was inherently wicked. (Sound familiar?)

    Many Jews responded and converted to Christianity and adopted the dominant culture, many fighting for Germany in the First World War. But of course anti-Semitiam didn't stand still. When the Nazis came to power it was no longer acceptable for Jews to renounce their heritage and beliefs. Anyone with a practicing Jewish grandparent could be convicted of being a Jew whether they themselves practised or not.

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  • Ruby456

    Simon muslim Jihadists undergo huge military training and this training is coupled with martyrology from religion and from romantic fiction that focuses on courtly behaviour and knighthood. this is what makes them different from muslims whether they are moderate or fundamentalist or political or all three.

  • slimboyfat
    Mass immigration of young men from countries where fundamentalism is endemic can't end well.

    What's the basis for this assertion? Why can't it end well? Of course it can end well, if democrats don't allow right wingers to exploit the situation to promote suspicion and stigmatisation.

    And anyway, isn't the mass migration of fundamentalists from one continent to another precisely how the United States began in the first place? And this is a far smaller scale and in the context of liberal democracies.

    "Can't end well"? Exaggerate much? Stop stigmatising and fear mongering.

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