The changing world - The Chinese in the west.

by fulltimestudent 13 Replies latest social current

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    I was hosing the garden at the front of our apartments earlier this morning, and this large gang (20-30 people) of elderly Chinese went past, picking up rubbish in the street. It suddenly clicked that this was 'clean-up Australia' day.

    What interested me was the involvement of this group of elderly Chinese, and I assume that this is likely happening across Sydney in all the many suburbs that have become 'Chinese' in the last 35 years. And, its that 'sinification' that is one of my many interests.

    The USA now has (it is said) some three million Chinese from PRC China. This is one of the most intriguing social trends that I have ever seen (or, read of) and its happening when young Chinese who go 'west' for their education are increasingly returning to China (about 80% I believe) , but perhaps leaving an apartment behind as an investment.

    It was Jan. 29, 1979 when USA President Jimmy Carter and the Chinese leader (without much in the way of titles) signed an accord. One of the points in the accord was that Chinese would be free to leave China, and its said that when this point was discussed, and Carter stated the point, Deng responded by asking, "Mr President, How many Chinese do you think you want?" If Carter answered it does not seem to have been recorded.

    The suburb where I live is not quite fully "Chinese," but far more than in 1999 when I moved here. Now nearly all the shops (but not the large supermarkets) are owned by Chinese. There are times when the only people on the shopping streets are Chinese. There are some 17 shops selling Chinese groceries. and near as many specialising in selling Australian products to Chinese tourists. Interesting isn't it?

    I was sent to a specialist dentist last week in Hurstville, a suburb I know well from my childhood. It was very "British" in those days. But now, the dentist was Chinese, the surgery was staffed by Chinese. Nearly every street front shop is Chinese, and most of the people on the street are Chinese.

    I count about 10 suburbs in Sydney that are now Chinese, and in all of these construction development companies from China (with local government approval) are building large tower blocks. At a rough count I think about 1000 new apartments will come on the market in 7 to 10 floor projects in my suburb.

    In neighbouring Burwood, the apartment blocks are even larger and taller. Cant estimate the number of new apartments there. Sales offices, from desks in shopping centres to very large shop fronts staffed by Chinese, seem to be everywhere. Non-resident Chinese are allowed to buy new apartments (only), and they seem to be sold out in many cases.

    Last night, the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade was held in Sydney (I didn't go - but both the Prime Minister and the federal leader of the opposition did). My gayxjw friend did go to watch (he did not go into the parade - he isn't quite up to baring his torso these days.) He called this morning and told me that there were lots of Asians watching including many older ones who may may have been tourists looking for a bit of local color.

    Asians have different cultural sensitivies, once in the mountains to Sydney's west, I watched a group of Chinese ladies looking at some bronze statues of native Australians (no live ones left in that area) The statues (correctly) were naked, and these mature ladies were having great fun photographing each other rubbing the genitals of the statues, they were not the first, because the said genitals shone with the bright finish of polished bronze..

    Just some random thoughts.

  • zeb
    zeb

    Nei Hi.

    Clean up Australia day is when everyone except the jw get together wearing a hat against the sun, skin block, ditto, gloves and they go forth to pick up litter, bottles and rubbish that the selfish discard. I can see the Chinese taking part in that due to their civic mindedness.

    Yes very interesting. There are many area in Perth (the other side of Australia to Sydney)that are Chinese now.

    Just north of Perth city used to be known as 'little Italy' in recent times it is now 'new Saigon' due to all the Vietnamese who have arrived here. Yes and many many shops are Chinese now in the main city. In the far north of Australia there have been Chinese folks for generations.

    I strongly recommend a fine book called "1421" which details the massive fleets that set sail from China in that year to search the world.

    I always told my kids to be extra polite to any Asians as one day they would rule Australia.

  • fukitol
    fukitol
    I think it's great. I love Chinese culture and values and philosophy (Confucianist not communist) and think the more the west absorbs the east, the better!
  • karter
    karter

    here in NZ the Chinese will take us over with out letting off a round .

    They are buying everything they can,Setting up their own dairy factory's making milk formula to send back home.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    karter : here in NZ the Chinese will take us over with out letting off a round .
    They are buying everything they can,Setting up their own dairy factory's making milk formula to send back home.

    There are two ways to look at this Karter, one is the way expressed above. The other way is illustrated by the sale of a New Zealand owned Australian Company to a privately owned Australian registered company, owned by a Chinese citizen.

    Complicated isn't it?

    The company, the Van Dieman Land company owns 25 large dairy farms in Tasmania. The last owner was New Plymouth Municipality in New Zealand (that sounds like socialism, doesn't it? But NZ does have a lot of co-operatives - just like China).

    I'm guessing that the sale was prompted by the fact that Van Dieman Land made a loss of $8,000,000 in 2013, so the New Plymouth Municipality must have decided to sell. The largest offer for VDL, came from Moon Lake Investments, owned as described above. The second biggest bidder asked the Aussie government to prevent the sale, the Aust. govt responded that VDL had been started by foreigners ( a group of London merchants) and had always been in foreign hands.

    But, would it have been right for the Aust. government to prevent the NZ owners making the extra money that Moon Lake offered, and made them accept less money?

    The new owners plan to invest $100 million in new facilities, money that the former NZ owners apparently did not plan to spend. So in different ways Australia will be better off, as suppliers, builders, engineers etc receive orders for their goods and services as that one hundred million is spent.

    Another perspective. One of NZ's largest dairy companies - Fonterra, is a part owner of Shijiahuang Sanli, a large Chinese milk product supplier. Presumably that places Fonterra in a position to benefit when their share of Chinese profits are repatriated to NZ. Do you want to say that is a bad thing?

    New Zealand has a population of less than 5,000,000. China now has (I calculate) about 600 million people whose lives approximate our western lives. Their diet converges toward ours. Think about that 600 million. It equates to having a market equal to two USAs.

    There is not enough dairy farmland in NZ (or, Australia) to provide dairy products for that sized population. And there are more customers coming, as China continues to urbanise, whether in cities or large towns with population of 500,000. The Chinese government is planning to totally eliminate rural poverty by 2025. Not too far in the future, NZ dairy farmers will have access to a market not of 600 million but of 1300 million.

    But you will have competitors, one of the largest dairy farms in the world is being built in the steppes area of North China. Chinese businessmen are working in joint ventures with Russian businessmen planning similar projects across Russia ( a move placed on fast forward when Europe decided to ban the exports of dairy products to Russia over the Ukraine problems).

    In the meantime, large and small businesses in NZ will benefit from the $210 million that Yashili International Holdings (I presume that's the project) is planning to spend in building the new dairy processing plant mentioned in your above post.

    BTW, if my information is correct, a part owner in Yashili International Holdings, is an American owned company, Carlyle Group.

    Globalisation is complex, is it not?

  • karter
    karter

    F.T.S seems you have done your homework well.

    The fact that the Chinese are investing in N.Z flat out has an up and a down side.

    Up side as you pointed out there is a lot of money being spent here upgrading and building new dairy plants and buying farms to supply their dairy factory's.

    Down side is why are we selling something the world is screaming out for,For The short term gain, or in long term we have something the world wants our dairy products.

    The other argument is by letting the Chinese buy our land we gain access to their markets but if the Chinese market is being filled by their own company's whats the gain to N.Z? Job's...they mostly use their own people keep it among themselves.

    On the other hand were would the money come from to build new dairy factory's supply chains ect there is not enough money in N.Z to do this so we look offshore and who's got the money ...China.

    The N.Z economy is doing well as a tradesman I'm turning work away and everyone i know is busy as.

    Karter

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Karter

    I think what you have stated about N.Z. and the Chinese buy ups , could equally apply to Australia.if not more so.

    Who knows what the long term goal of China is for our region ?

    China has also taken out a 99 year lease on the Port of Darwin , now America has asked to expand their B1 bomber presence in Darwin , a bomber with nuclear capabilities .The Chinese are flexing their muscle in the South China Sea , much to the consternation other nations.

    It will be interesting to see how Japan ,the Phillapines ,Indonesia ,react to all this.

    Exciting times ahead

    Just saying.

    smiddy

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    karter : F.T.S seems you have done your homework well. The fact that the Chinese are investing in N.Z flat out has an up and a down side.
    karter, its not too hard to find information these days. The web holds an enormous amount of information already. Ten minutes will usually allow you to check whether what you are thinking is well-founded or not.
    The Australian problem (which may or may not be similar to the NZ situation ) is that Australians could never provide enough capital to cover development of the country. Originally, in the British heyday, the Brits provided the money needed for Australian development. But a day came after WW1, but more particularly after WW2, when the Brits were broke.
    I'm old enough to remember the fuss in Australia, when British assets were sold to American companies. These days most profitable Australian brands (like Kraft, Arnotts etc) are in American hands. Doesn't make much difference at a daily life level to Australians, does it? I once worked for a large company that pioneered commercial refrigeration in Aust. (under the brand name Amatice). When WW2 came, some government bright spark said to the company, you must make ambulances for the army - so they did. Somewhere in the govt. bureaucracy some public servant noted that local refrigeration manufacture had ceased. I guess memo's got passed around and eventually an American company, Kelvinator, was invited to set up a factory in Australia. By the end of the war, Kelvinator was well established and Amatice never got back the market it used to have.

    The Japanese were buying lots of things in the 1970's and 1980's and ruffling American feathers ( do you remember the movie, Rising Sun with Sean Connery?). Wonder just how that trend had the brakes put on it?
    BTW, Wherever I've been in China, I can always find a McDonalds, or a KFC or a Starbucks. All the top American Hotel brands are there. China is America's General Motors largest marker in the world. That is they sell more cars in China than in the USA.
    http://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2015/Oct/1012_sales.html
    and take 90 seconds out of your busy life and watch this video, which tells of the local spin-offs:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_qQAeWDUaw

    Did you know that under the Free Trade Agreement recently concluded between Australian and China, most Australian businesses are free to go and open a business in China. Medical services and Old Age care are among the business types particularly encouraged. I wonder how many Aussies are going to take the risk?





  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    @OP,

    I don't have a problem with an increasing chinese community. At least they are hard working and productive.

    What I might have a problem with are certain communities i see on the drive home, where scores of them sit on their porch all day collective government assistance and seem to be the same perennial crime suspects on the TV and the paper.

  • joey jojo
    joey jojo

    There's a possibility that many Aussies look at chinese as new arrivals in Australia when the exact opposite is the case.

    Many Chinese families can trace their heritage back to the day's of the Australian gold rushes which means they were here long before many European families.

    There are over 1 billion chinese living in china and who knows how many spread throughout the world. If, on average, every 6th person on the planet is Chinese, it's not overly surprising to see a person of Chinese extraction walking around somewhere.

    Even small country towns in Australia have their chinese restaurants owned by generations of the same family.

    In general, they seem to be hard working and respectful.

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