WTBS Inc.’s ideas/ opinions/ viewpoints or… God’s teaching???

by MacHislopp 9 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    Often the WTBS Inc. has claimed to be made of imeprfect men…

    yet their official and …public teaching demonstrate something

    quite different. Look at some ex. within the past 50 years.

    1) *** w52 4/15 p. 253 Aids for Understanding Prophecy ***

    “ Jehovah’s witnesses themselves are not nor can they be interpreters of prophecies. But as fast as the “superior authorities” Jehovah and Christ Jesus reveal the interpretations through their provided channel that fast do God’s people publish them the world over to strengthen the faith of all lovers of righteousness.”

    2) *** w54 10/15 pp. 638-639 Questions from Readers ***

    How does Jehovah’s spirit help the “faithful and discreet slave” arrive at the truth of a matter? The Society does not claim infallibility or inspiration. How much is dependent upon the written Word? How can we be sure that this is the organization Jehovah is using when some things are published and later changed?—C. P., United States.

    In regard to how the truth is brought forth through Jehovah’s organization, please note that if the Watch Tower Society were infallible there would be no need for future correction of viewpoints held; but because it is not infallible and has never claimed to be, from time to time corrections are necessary. If Jehovah’s spirit operated in the way it did upon Bible writers, inspiring them to write according to Jehovah’s thoughts, then no future corrections in matters would ever be necessary. But because the spirit does not operate in this way today some corrections are made from time to time.

    °This is a progressive process, food being continually provided, and as we advance in the stream of time and observe further fulfillment of prophecy new truths are discerned and brought forth and constitute fresh and nourishing food for our day. Some truths were not essential for us prior to the time of their discernment, otherwise Jehovah would have caused them to become known earlier.

    °Even the erroneous viewpoints held by Jehovah’s witnesses during the first world war served their purpose in contributing to the fulfillment of prophecy, for Jehovah had long ago foretold a condition of spiritual uncleanness upon his people at that particular time and the cleansing work that would be done

    °He is bringing the increase. He is using this organization to preach the good news of the established Kingdom in all the inhabited earth

    .°It is this organization that is enjoying that fulfillment and it is through this organization that Jehovah sends further light and spiritual food that rectifies any erroneous conceptions previously entertained, as well as adding to the rich storehouse of spiritual food available for those devoted to him and willing to exert themselves in his service by telling it to others.”

    3) *** w60 7/15 p. 444 Staying Awake with the “Faithful and Discreet Slave” ***

    “Truly the Society as directed by God’s holy spirit merits our deepest respect and wholehearted obedience.”

    4) *** w62 12/15 p. 762 We Need Jehovah’s Organization ***

    “God’s spirit operates upon his dedicated servants today, not to inspire them, but to move them gently in the direction of increased understanding. It permits them to make mistakes as they grow in understanding of God’s Word, but in time it helps them to see their mistakes, which they gladly correct.”

    5) *** w64 5/1 p. 277 Building a Firm Foundation in Christ ***

    “ It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant Scriptural counsel to his people, and it requires careful study and attention to details in order to apply this information, to get a full understanding of the principles involved, and to assure ourselves of right thinking on these matters.”

    6) *** w72 8/15 p. 501 God Readjusts the Thinking of His People ***

    “God leads them progressively so that the truth constantly grows brighter, they reflect more fully God’s glory, and they are transformed more and more into his image. (2 Cor. 3:18).-

    7) *** w88 3/1 p. 17 My Life in Jehovah’s Spirit-Directed Organization ***

    Jehovah is simultaneously feeding all his people spiritually through The Watchtower and other Biblical publications.”

    8) *** w95 2/1 pp. 12-13 A Great Crowd of True Worshipers—From Where Have They Come? ***

    “ During the following years, Jehovah progressively drew these important details to the attention of his servants. These included clearly understanding, in 1927, that “the faithful anddiscreet slave” is the entire body of spirit-anointed Christians on earth;

    9) *** w01 8/1 p. 14 Make Your Advancement Manifest ***

    “Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”

    10) *** ip-2 chap. 15 p. 228 The Barren Woman Rejoices ***

    Since 1919, Jehovah has given the anointed an ever clearer understanding of the boundaries—the lines of spiritual demarcation—setting them apart from false religion and ungodly elements of the world. (Ezekiel 44:23; John 17:14; James 1:27)

    So …who is acting? Jehovah…Jesus Christ , the holy spirit?

    Who is revealing matters? How is this revealing performed?

    But it not finished, because the WTBS Inc, makes another

    claim/ analogy : their ‘ voice’ Is like “Jehovah’s voice” :

    11) *** it-2 p. 1161 Voice ***

    Hearing the Voice of God. To ‘hear the voice of God’ does not necessarily mean the hearing of a literal, audible voice. It more often means recognizing and hearing with obedience what God has caused to be written in his Word and transmitted through his earthly servants who represent him. (1Jo 2:3, 4) Thus, “voice” is used as applying to “every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth,” his commands whether presented to the individual verbally by God himself or by angels or men, or in inspired writing.Ps 103:20; Mt 4:4; see OBEDIENCE

    *** w57 6/15 p. 370 Overseers of Jehovah’s People ***

    7 Let us now unmistakably identify Jehovah’s channel of communication for our day, that we may continue in his favor. Listen to the inspired answer to the situation, in Matthew 24:45-47 (NW): “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.” And has he? Yes, particularly since 1919 has it been true that he has appointed the collective body of the anointed remnant over all the visible interests of the Kingdom. The “slave” then became responsible not only for ministering to the needs of the anointed body members but also for taking on the responsibility of preaching the good news of the established Kingdom to people of all nations. (Matt. 24:14) Such is true not by their determination of it, but because God himself has so directed. “God has set the members in the body, each one of them, just as he pleased,” is the way it is pictured in 1 Corinthians 12:18 (NW). It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.”

    *** w88 4/1 p. 31 Is Obedience Always Proper? ***

    When our heavenly Father, Jehovah God, speaks , whether through his Word, the Bible, or through his earthly organization, it is all the more important for us to listen and obey, thus proving that we are obedient worshipers who do not ignore the loving reminder: “Did you hear me?”

    *** w98 7/15 p. 14 Beware of a Lack of Faith ***

    20 If we do not respond positively to Jehovah’s “voice,” clearly expressed in the Scriptures and Bible-based publications, we will soon find ourselves “drawing away from the living God”

    I hope that this research will be of help to some of our guests!

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • be wise
    be wise

    I thought some of this was written by us so-called ‘apostates’ not the society. It's been a while since I've read anyhthing by them but i sn’t this just full of contradictions, not that this is my point or anything new, my point is aren't they just getting blatantly beyond a joke with what they expect people to believe?

    I can see things for what they really are now but t hey couldn’t have had that much control over my mind could they ? That’s kinda scary.

  • ozziepost

    Speaking in God's name when they clearly aren't places them in the invidious position of blasphemers against God. You wouldn't want to be in their shoes when God calls them to account!

    Thanks for the reminders, Mac.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    thanks for the appreciative comments.

    Be wise: as youhave notice it is all material

    from the WTBS Inc.!

    Ozziepost: all the best to you and your wife.

    (Have a sip of the nice one..)

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • yesidid

    You've done it again!!! Thank you I have saved this one also.


  • BluesBrother

    Neither should we think that such beliefs are consigned to the past. The recent book "Worship the Only True God" c2002, leaves one in no doubt of two things a] that this org is speaking the words of God, and 2} If you are not part of it then you will be fried at Armageddon.

    Choice quotes are less abundant, it is more an overall theme which leaves the reader in no doubt what it is saying , but p134 par 14

    We do well to ask ourselves"Do I truly appreciate how Jehovah is directing his visible Organisation? .......................................................................................................
    When I appreciatively accept the spiritual provisions that come through the slave class and its Governing Body,for whom am I showing respect?

    A clear message that to question the WT is to question God Himself

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    brother hislopp.

    I was listening to that speech by Freddie Franz about the "Creation of Eve" delay in the 1975 expectation. He, at one point, asked, "well, what has been published regarding 1975?" And then went on to demonstrate that the Org had published NOTHING indicating expectation for that year. In a nut shell they want the authority that comes with being divine without accepting any responsibility. Strangely (apparently because it pertains to matters of personal hope and belief) they seem to get away with preposterous acts of dishonesty and deception that ( to use a business analogy) any corporate executive would be eternally condemned for, jailed even.

  • rocketman

    try again....server error

  • rocketman

    trying again,

    Anyway, the readers are never informed as to the actual process through which all this enlightenment happens. What matters and ideas are discussed by the Gov. Body? What ideas ae discarded, and why? What evidence is considered? Was the matterd debated? How many members perhaps felt differently than the majority?

    In Acts 15, we actually get a inside look, at elast to some degree, at the discussion with regard to the question of circumcision. The readers and r&f jws get no such insights at all from the GB.

  • crinklestein

    If the organization doesn't interperet prophesies and are only informed by God and Jesus then why the constant changes in WT policy? Does they really think God changes? They say that he is ever lasting and infalible. So if he's infalible he wouldn't change his mind about something of dire importance! And if they are trying to tell us that God changed his mind on the issue of blood or something then that would mean that the Bible would have to be changed as well. But the last thing in Revelations says that NOTHING IS TO BE CHANGED!!! There is no Bible v1.5. God inspired one person to write Genesis and then 2000 years later to write Revelations and nothing in Genesis had to change because of God's mind changing about something.

    God does not change his mind therefore his standards also do not change. And if there were a ONE TRUE RELIGION it would also not change. But the very fact that the WT changes their beliefs like a pair of socks proves they are not THE ONE!

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