Hype and Anti-Type Russia 13 Years Ago

by scotoma 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • scotoma

    Worldly news services were calling things correctly with Russia.


  • smiddy3

    Russia alone was never the King of the North , the king of the north as explained by Jehovah`s witness theology was the United Soviet Socialist republics that is USSR and not Russia alone .

    The fact that the USSR ,the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics was disbanded years ago proves that the Jehovah`s Witness religion/Watchtower are false profits.

    The USSR was a number of nations under the control and domination of Russia in Eastern Europe and when they gained independence from Russia , she lost her power ,as a world power.

    She was no longer the King of The North .And the JW`s / Governing Body , if i have read things correctly do not know who the current king of the north is at this present time.

    Quoting something political / prophetical in print about what JW`s said years ago is always going to bite them in the bum .Why ? simply because they keep changing what they said in times past and trying to always re-invent themselves into something they never were .

    Why would an organization any organization be ashamed to acknowledge their past history ? Yet Jehovah`s Witnesses try to do it constantly.

    Thank God for the internet that exposes their deception.

  • scotoma


    King of the North is a reference to both a geographical position and a political space. (Geo-political)

    The Soviet Union died in 1991 December 26. It was dissolved through the illegal actions of three of its major republics.

    However, something has replaced it (Russian Federation) and it behaves a lot like the old entity that occupied the geopolitical space.

    One of the reasons Putin hated Hillary Clinton was a statement made at the end of 2012 before she resigned as Secretary of State. Quoting from the Guardian:

    Putin's plan is for the ECU to grow into a "powerful, supra-national union" of sovereign states like the European Union, uniting economies, legal systems, customs services and military capabilities to form a bridge between Europe and Asia and rival the EU, the US and China by 2015.

    While he has described the end of the Soviet Union as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century", Putin denies he is seeking to resurrect it. The west is not so sure; former US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has described the Eurasian Union as "a move to re-Sovietise the region", adding ominously: "We know what the goal is."

    That goal wasn't achieved to the degree Putin wanted. The sanctions against Russia have put that on hold. However, Putin seems to have ways to get his wishes eventually.

  • Phizzy

    The King of the North is a character in the Bible Book of Daniel, a small Political Tract written for 2nd century B.C.E readers.

    It does not contain prophecy for our day.

  • scotoma


    You are not explaining anything. You are trying to explain it away.

    This sets you up for an insincere discussion of a wider context.

    Whoever wrote the book places the events at a point in the future called "the time of the end"

    Daniel 10 describes the messenger as a man with unusual characteristics. We don't thoroughly understand the nature of the messenger but some today might put it in the category of a close encounter of the 4th kind.

    The purpose of this message was stated to Daniel in Dan 10:14 "And I have come to cause you to discern what will befall your people in the final part of the days because it is a vision yet for days to come."

    Just how far into the future? The same messenger tells Daniel that he will die before the words are understood. Dan 12:9 "Go Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of the end."

    To understand this you have to spend some time to connect the dots. These dots extend all the way to the book of Revelation. Daniel's vision represents the final conflict that precipitates the Great Tribulation as a struggle between Two Kings. Revelation represents the final conflict before the Great Tribulation as The Wild Beast vs A harlot empire that rides (dominates) the beast. Daniel's vision has the King of the South pushing the King of the North until the King of the North can no longer tolerate it and so he storms forth against the South King and gains control of the worlds economic system. It presumes the attack destroys the King of the South because it isn't mentioned again. By destroying the South King the North King simultaneously acquires the control over precious commodities that were under the control of the South.

    The seventh head or iteration of the Beast appears in Revelation 13:3 "as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration... And they worhiped the the wild beast with the words: "Who is like the wild beast and who can do battle with it?"

    This is the "wild beast that was but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss and it is to go off into destruction." Revelation 17:8

    This fits perfectly with the sudden collapse of the Soviet Union and now its reappearance.

    Babylon the Great appears to be the USA not some world empire of false religion. BTG is described as supremely wealthy. It doesn't describe her as a religious entity at all. Its consumption fills the ships with goods from all over the earth. Naturally, when the USA goes down the merchants will be disappointed because the goods they dump on the USA bolster the economy of all the nations of the earth.

    The revived Wild Beast is "granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them." (Rev 13:7) This all falls nicely into the JW persecution narrative. Why would Russia want to attack JW's as enemies of their state.

    There is a lot more that can be said about these prophecies.

    Think about it.

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Scotoma said:

    There is a lot more that can be said about these prophecies.

    and you are absolutely right, it goes on endlessly.

    Instead, please show me any prophecy which was singular, unambiguous and came true.

    Allow for the fact that if enough prophecies are made then some would come true because it was one of many--and all the others on the same subject would have to fail.

    When you begin to use Biblical quotes to imply a divine hand behind them you are out on a limb. There is nothing miraculous in the myriad interpretations of Bible prophecies. Unless you put faith before logic, there is none which has evidence that the Bible is the word of an almighty god.

    There are much better ways to get a grasp on the real world but believing in or relying on prophecy is an utter waste of anyone's time.

  • smiddy3

    This is the "wild beast that was but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss and it is to go off into destruction." Revelation 17:8

    Scotoma , This scripture was used by the JW / WT organization in their publications to explain the league of Nations forming after the first world war ,then going into the abyss at the outbreak of the second world war , and then ascending out of the abyss at the end of the second world war as the United Nations .

    It was never implied to relate to The USSR or the current Russia. of today.

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