John's "Revelation" on a Greek Island...doing good drugs?

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  • lost_and_searching

    Hey everyone.....first, let me say THANKS to everyone for answering my past questions (cross vs. stake, etc.) I have gotten the BEST answers from all of you wonderful people!!!!!

    As for my current question, the doctor I work for was raised Mormon (and thinks about as highly of that organization as I do of the JWs. LOL) He is going on a cruise through the Greek Islands next week and would love some info before he goes. It is said that the "Apostle Paul" wrote the book of Revelation while on a specific Greek Island (Patmos). But my boss and I have both heard stories that there is something special about this island, as it is the only place where a specific hallucinogenic plant grows wild. (Which would certainly explain those "wild dreams" LOL).

    Has anyone else ever heard of this theory? And if so, does anyone have the name of the plant or any more info? Maybe a site where I can find more information before he goes on his trip?

    Thanks for any help! ~Bobbi (who in honor of being raised JW, makes her adult birthday celebrations last an entire week!!! LOL)

  • JamesThomas

    Heard one time that it was probably Psilocybin Mushrooms.


  • gumby

    Hi Las,

    If you get any of those shrooms while your over there....pick a few for me and I'll come by

    Far from being a revelation, it is the most ridiculous book in the whole bible; and it was not written by any apostle called John. Most of the material is secondhand, being borrowed liberally from the Old Testament books of Isaiah, Ezra, Ezekiel and, in particular, Daniel (which also has fantastic images of the End Time and refers to ‘one like a son of man’). Revelations essentially is Jewish scripture.

    Although Revelations does not quote directly,…… within its four hundred or so verses are about five hundred and fifty references to the Old Testament Revelations then unleashes a relentless apocalyptic nightmare, badly written, repetitive and self-contradictory. Chapter after chapter it details bizarre horrors, the supposed fate that imminently will befall the enemies of the Jehovah. It is the latter which gives the book its enduring popularity – a vision of the gore-fest at Armageddon Revelations is the outpouring of a Jew seriously embittered by Roman authority . This fevered Jewish mind invokes retribution for his enemies from that old, vicious god of Hebrew scripture.....that being Jehovah..... who rips into humanity like a madman.
    If nothing else, the crude, unpolished construction of Revelations, reveals early proto-Christian ideas in the process of forming at that time.

    There is lots of info. on the utter nonsense of this book .

    I hope that won't spoil anything for ya.....just eat the mushrooms and pretend your John. While your there eating the mushrooms....write us a book and share it with us when you get back.

    BTW...I personally haven't heard of this being the case with know...the mushroom thing

  • Navigator

    lost and searching

    I agree with you about the book of revelation. It certainly was not written by the same person that wrote the book of John. It is in a different stype of greek used by the common people. Perhaps that is why many of the early church fathers did not want to include it in the bible canon as they did not consider it worthy. Much of it does seems to be borrowed from Daniel and other books.

    If your boss is going to be in the area, he should not miss the opportunity to visit Ephesus on the western shore of Turkey. It is in remarkable condition and is a very interesting tour. Fortunately, it was under several feet of silt when the British controlled the area or they would have hauled everything back to London. . The palace of Agemenmon on the greek mainland and nearby sites is also worthwhile. I was disappointed in Corinth as there is little left.

  • be wise
    be wise

    Here's something mildly interesting I found on the internet regarding whats found in the bible and drug use. It is a concept that seems to make good sense. It;s something I might be interested in researching if I get the time. I think to get a more balanced answer you'd have to research their involvement in spiritism, how this was practiced [probably through drug use amoungst other things]. because it was a big part of their lives I think. I mean was there good spiritism and bad spiritism. We hear of the 'bad', being called spiritism and the 'good', God and religion but I reckon there's much more to it than that.

    Strange Fruit: Alchemy, Religion and Magical Foods, A Speculative History.

    Heinrich, Clark. (1995).
    London: Bloomsbury.

    ISBN: 0-7475-1548-4

    Description: First edition, hardcover, xii + 212 pages.

    Contents: A Brief Explanation of an Unusual Book, 14 chapters, last word, Appendix: The Legend of Miskwedo, notes, illustrations, index.

    Excerpt(s): I have discovered a definite pattern of related symbols in story after story, even stories from different traditions and different parts of the world. As disparate as these stories are they all have in common distinct correspondences to one and the same thing: the beautiful and intoxicating Amanita muscaria mushroom, commonly known in English as the fly agaric. ...

    The correspondences contained in the succeeding chapters are too numerous to assign to mere chance or an overactive imagination, although some will do just that. If it is simply a matter of imagination I invite anyone to take any other single plant (real, not imaginary), or anything else for that matter, and make it fit these stories and works of art as easily as the fly agaric does. The futility of the exercise should become apparent very quickly (page x).

    After all, even if Jews and Christians had engaged in the use of sacred drugs it wouldn't necessarily have been incorporated into the state religion as it had been with the Vedic Aryans. The Jewish priests and prophets wielded extraordinary power on the basis of their 'special' relationship with Yahweh. If they had used drugs to gain and keep that relationship, as the Vedic priests did, quite likely they kept it a secret among themselves.

    As I thought about this I realized that in both the Hebrew and Christian Bibles there are a number of significant episodes involving eating and drinking which led to, or at least preceded, a dramatic change in the consciousness of the person or persons involved (pages 6-7).

    What, for instance, was the all-important fruit eaten by Eve and Adam in the Garden of Eden? It gave them knowledge yet it didn't kill them as God had told them it would. What was the mysterious flame-coloured god-plant encountered by Moses on the Mountain of God which gave him amazing power and courage and tricks enough to defeat Pharaoh's magicians? What was the 'cake' that an angel gave to Elijah when he too was on his way to the Mountain of God and which gave him the endurance to walk, on the strength of that food alone, for forty days? What was the curious 'scroll' that an angel gave Ezekiel to eat that lifted him up to heaven? Or the similar scroll eaten by John on Patmos so that he could prophesy? Or the sacred meals of the Essenes and the Gnostics, what were these and why were they a secret? And what about Jesus, himself the bread of life and the human dispenser of living waters, whose very flesh and blood were eaten in a ceremony of ritual cannibalism? A can of worms indeed, and they were crawling all over the Bible (page 7).

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