“A Man Caught-up To … Paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)

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  • MADMARY
    MADMARY

    “A Man Caught-Up To … Paradise” (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)

    Above, we cite the verses that speak of "a man," a certain "man in Christ" in fact, yes hearing words ...

    ... "unutterable words" or as some translations say, "inexpressible," or "unspeakable" words...words which man "cannot say," words that are considered by some "unlawful" [or unscriptural] for a "Christian" man to even speak. "Heretical" words, words of "apostasy,” or even possibly, "blasphemy" against God! Some would say this. -- 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

    Words about a "man in Christ" chosen to bring a special "covenant" from God, words about a coming, Chosen "Servant" of God. (See 2 Corinthians 12:2-4; Isaiah 42:6; Isaiah 49:8; Many may recall, the renowned Nobel prize winner and playwright George Bernard Shaw once said, "All great truths begin as blasphemies." This statement we believe is quite true.)

    In fact, these same words we speak of, were foretold to have been already said, yes, said many years ago, by the "prophets of old," as being words we would call today "Sacred Secrets," [Greek: mysterions or "mysteries"] from God Almighty Himself, Jehovah. -- Acts 3:21, 24; Revelation 10:7; Revelation 22:6

    Well in short, in capsule form, let us say the following:

    We believe the Holy Scriptures teach a "Two (2) Kingdom/Two (2) Messiah" Concept, many years now hidden within the Holy Bible itself, hidden by God Almighty Himself. (It is our considered opinion, the false teaching of 1914 and indeed the entire bible itself can never be successfully unraveled without a good understanding of this new concept. For example, the question of how long the “Davidic Heir” rules could be better understood finally, with this new concept in mind. Then too, can we really say Jesus came from or was a fleshly descendant of Adam & Eve, making him their “seed”? -- See Luke 1:32, 33 versus 1 Corinthians 15:24; Also Genesis 3:15.)

    This new concept we speak of, namely the "Two (2) Kingdom/Two Messiah" Concept, was actually first pioneered by Donald C. Burney, ever since the summer of 1990, when he was still an "active" Jehovah's Witness. And nine months later, since May of 1991, when he officially left the Jehovah's Witnesses organization himself, Mr. Burney began to gather an elite group of thinking, very open-minded "beroean" like Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who were to assist him as first, the TWMC Information Center and later as the YORWW Congregation. (The initials YORWW stand for: “Yah Our Righteousness World Wide,” and is taken from the bible text of Jeremiah 33:16.) -- See Acts 17:11.

    And so, the following information we will present to you, these "unspeakable words" Paul spoke of then, are really NOT unsayable, or not so "unspeakable," "inexpressible" in themselves. No, but they are only perceived ... perceived as such, by modern-day religionists and bible scholars of our time, invariably because of centuries and centuries of faulty indoctrination from religious, institutionalized thinking, and rigid, inflexible, unrelenting church dogma, that has been heaped upon mankind by way of long-held "traditions of men," traditions that continue to drive sincere, truth-seeking individuals away from the truth, Divine Truth, much as it did during Jesus' day. Ohhhhhhh yes it did. Even Jesus’ disciples and 1st century Christians were affected by this. (See Mark 6:52; Mark 8:17; Hebrews 5:11.) So then, this circumstance we face today, is in fact, the exact same circumstances that Jesus faced in his day. -- See Matthew 15:3; Mark 7:9.

    So it would be like saying ‘the earth is round’ when everyone thinks it is flat. It would be a paradigm shift.

    Thus, we can confidently say, then these seeming "inexpressible words" that we speak of, these "words" that some would say or act as though from a human point after years of indoctrination, would be considered yes, "un-explainable" ... words that some would say are actually "impossible to explain," or even "impossible to say" ... are actually not at all! And just as it meant "life" for those who listened to them back in Jesus' day, it will mean the same thing today, for all mankind, in our modern society. -- See John 6:68; John 8:47; John 12:48. Think about it!

    Jesus promised us:

    13 But when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come [or the future]. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.” -- John 16:13, 14 NIV

    Two (2) Possible Messiahs”??? Could the “Davidic Heir” be a future earthly King?

    See 2 Samuel 7:11-15


    In mankind's great quest for Bible Truth, Knowledge and Understanding, we are fortunate to find the words of our Grand Creator who gives this incredible invite for us:

    "Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you GREAT AND HIDDEN THINGS that you have not known.”

    -- Jeremiah 33:3 English Standard Version


    Yes, "great and incomprehensible things," all told in the "time of the end." Things that were "not known" to us before. Yes, "great things" like the identity of the "Small Horn" and "King of the North" of bible prophecy, and the “Scapegoat” teaching of Leviticus 16:10. (Daniel 8:23-25; Daniel 11:40, 41) Also, "incomprehensible things" like an explanation of the Magnificent "Glory of Jehovah," so often spoken of in the book of Isaiah, and how Jehovah chooses to use the small nation of Jamaica in His Glorious Purposes. (Isaiah 40:5; Isaiah 66:18, 19; Zephaniah 3:9, 10) Indeed, all of the "Sacred Secrets" of God was foretold to come to fulfillment and be explained fully, in the "time of the end." -- Daniel 12:4; Habakkuk 2:2, 3; John 16:13; Revelation 10:7

    Then, we notice in verse 6 of the same chapter of Jeremiah, Jehovah states He is going to surely "reveal an abundance of peace and truth" during this special time of enlightenment. -- Jeremiah 33:6 New American Standard Bible


    All of this of course, suggests to us these hidden, great “truths” we speak of, are really “incomprehensible things” that were "not known" or revealed to mankind prior to the advent of the "last days" or "time of the end." The bible says this would be true. For instance, let's consider Isaiah 42:16:

    “And I will lead the blind in a way that they do not know, in paths that they have not known I will guide them. I will turn the darkness before them into light, the rough places into level ground. These are the things I do, and I do not forsake them. ” -- Isaiah 42:16 English Standard Version

    Also, let's consider Isaiah 48:6:

    “You have heard; now see all this; and will you not declare it? From this time forth I announce to you new things, hidden things that you have not known. ” -- Isaiah 48:6 English Standard Version


    Therefore it would be during this special time, the "time of the end," when all great truths such as the book of Revelation and other prophetic books, are due to be finally revealed by God Almighty, the Great "Revealer of Secrets." This would be where great "sacred secrets" like the mysterious "Man of Lawlessness," who was to be fully "revealed" in the "time of the end," and other great "sacred secrets" also. -- See Isaiah 11:9; Daniel 2:28; Daniel 2:47; Daniel 12:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, 8; Revelation 5:1-6; Revelation 10:7; Revelation 22:6.

    Indeed, this "man in Christ" would incredibly experience the glorious fulfillment of Psalms 45:4 which amazingly says of him, and how he uniquely learns things from God Almighty:

    "...Let YOUR RIGHT HAND TEACH YOU awesome things!"

    -- New American Standard Bible


    No question but that when we consider the above inspired words, we must remember the fact that Jesus Christ had a pre-human existence as the "Word of God," long before becoming a man on earth. (See John 1:1.) Which means no doubt, Jesus learned all of the many "awesome things" he knew, DIRECT [IN PERSON] FROM HIS HEAVENLY FATHER JEHOVAH, when he existed in the very Presence of God Almighty, for millenniums upon millenniums of time in heaven, long before coming to earth as a man.

    Thus we are forced to understand this verse, this Messianic Prophecy then, COULD NOT in any way shape or form, apply to Jesus Christ while on earth. Is this not so???

    All of which means then, this "man in Christ" actually learns these "awesome things," differently. He learns then, not because he is in the actual heavenly Presence of Jehovah as Jesus was for eons and eons of time, per say. No, but this "man" learns in essence, day-by-day, or "morning by morning," gradually on a daily basis, in the "east gate" as it were, exactly ... exactly as the inspired prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel said he would. So, he learns from God then as a frail, human on earth would, a human with human capabilities and human limitations, mentally-speaking. Think about it. -- See Isaiah 50:4; Ezekiel 44:3; also please compare Psalms 78:2, 3 New World Translation.

    In the light of this type of situation, truly explains why this “man in Christ” was told, these words that he was hearing, were to be viewed as “unutterable sayings,” “unspeakable words,” words “which man may not utter,” words that normally without God’s extraordinary help, a simple man could not speak with conviction, at least before the proper time for it. In view of the tremendous opposition he must face, from particularly Jehovah’s Witnesses, former and current, it must be God’s Timetable for it. So first this chosen man, this chosen vessel, must become the first “Christian,” to hear this while being “caught up” [Greek: harpazo] spiritually to the “third heaven” or “Paradise of God,” in essence. -- Psalms 40:6; Isaiah 49:1-7; Isaiah 50:5; 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

    For more information, please see this link:

    “A Man Caught-up To… Paradise”


    MM

  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    Too long sorry

  • MADMARY
    MADMARY

    The "Two Kingdom Concept," spoken of above, will satisfactorily resolve the seeming conflict between 1 Cor. 15:24 & Revelation 22:5. This was a problem we never could resolve under the Watchtower Society's teachings and leadership. These two verses are speaking of two very different kingdoms.

    MM

  • Acluetofindtheuser
    Acluetofindtheuser

    Funny you bring this up. I recently decoded the answer to the mystery on what Paul said regarding the Paradise and the Third heaven.

    PM me if you want to know what Paul was really describing. I will not publicly disclose it because the answer is original.

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