Editorial-Anti-war Protesters=Treason

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  • ashitaka

    Please help me tear this numbskull apart. He's insinuating that free speech equals treason. Can you imagine if Bush get this wonderful idea into his head? He'll start arresting protesters under that Patriot act and there goes the neighborhood. Can you imagine if Patriot act 2 is passed?!?!? They can secretly and indefinitely contain protesters to make it look like the whole nation is behind him. The US is becoming a nightmare, because of idiots like this. ash Comfort and the Protesters

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    - Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Kelly are doing the people of New York and the people of Iraq a great service by delaying and obstructing the anti-war protest planned for February 15. The longer they delay in granting the protesters a permit, the less time the organizers have to get their turnout organized, and the smaller the crowd is likely to be. And we wouldnt want to overstate the matter, but, at some level, the smaller the crowd, the more likely that President Bush will proceed with his plans to liberate Iraq. And the more likely, in that case, that the Iraqi people will be freed and the citizens of New York will be rescued from the threat of an Iraqi-aided terrorist attack.

    In a federal court action filed yesterday, the New York Civil Liberties Union, representing the anti-war protesters, cites the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The court action seeks a court injunction that would allow the protesters to march down First Avenue near the United Nations. A central part of the February 15 event is to convey a message to the United Nations about opposition to any war against Iraq, the complaint filed yesterday says. But the right of peaceable assembly in the Constitution refers to the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The protesters would be on stronger ground if they wanted to convey a message to the U.S. Mission to the United Nations if, in other words, if they were petitioning the government, not the U.N.

    The protesters probably do have a claim under the right to free speech. Never mind that its not the speech that the city is objecting to its the marching in the streets, blocking traffic, and requiring massive police protection.

    So long as the protesters are invoking the Constitution, they might have a look at Article III. That says, Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

    There can be no question at this point that Saddam Hussein is an enemy of America. Iraq was the only Arab-Muslim country that did not condemn the September 11 attacks against the United States. A commentary of the official Iraqi station on September 11 stated that America was reaping the fruits of [its] crimes against humanity. A government employee in Iraq reacted to the loss this month of the space shuttle Columbia by telling Reuters, God is avenging us.

    And there is no reason to doubt that the anti-war protesters we prefer to call them protesters against freeing Iraq are giving, at the very least, comfort to Saddam Hussein. In a television interview aired this week, Saddam said, First of all we admire the development of the peace movement around the world in the last few years. We pray to God to empower all those working against war and for the cause of peace and security based on just peace for all. After the last big anti-war protest, the one in Washington last month, Saddam hailed the anti-war protests as proof that Americans back Iraq rather than President Bush. They are supporting you because they know that evildoers target Iraq to silence and dissenting voice to their evil and destructive policies, Saddam told senior officers, including his son Qusay, commander of the Republican Guard.

    So the New York City police could do worse, in the end, than to allow the protest and send two witnesses along for each participant, with an eye toward preserving at least the possibility of an eventual treason prosecution. Thus fully respecting not just some, but all of the constitutional principles at stake.

    To those concerned about civil liberties, wed cite the pragmatic argument made last night by, of all people, the New York Timess three-time Pulitzer-Prize winning foreign affairs columnist, Thos. Friedman. I believe we are one more 9/11 away from the end of the open society, Mr. Friedman told an American Jewish Committee dinner honoring the chief executive of the New York Times Company, Russell Lewis. His point was that if terrorists strike again at America and kill large numbers of Americans, the pressure to curb civil liberties and civil rights will be enormous and unstoppable. What we took from that was that the more successful the protesters are in making their case in New York, the less chance theyll have the precious constitutional freedom to protest here the next time around.

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Ash, let me quote Bette Davis, "Fasten your seat belts, its going to be a bumpy ride". The late Franklin D. Roosevelt said, "In politics nothing happens by accident. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way". David Rockefeller said, "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order". Take it from there!

    Guest 77

  • LuckyLucy

    Whats the point in protesting?We are going to war and a little group of bleeding heart liberals are not going to change that!

  • Realist


    you really should live in one of the many cities that were bombed by the US airforce...i bet you would have a different opinion then.

    your disrespect for others is really shocking.

    Edited by - realist on 15 February 2003 10:35:9

  • Undecided

    Realist, if you lived in one of the cities that was bombed by the terrorist you might feel differently too.

    Ken P.

  • Realist


    i lived 1 mile away from the WTC when the planes hit.

  • Rihannsu

    Realist im extremely surpised that you lived so close to the WTC and still are able to say the crap that you said to luckylucy.... Do you want the same thing that happend in 9-11-01 to happen again? do you actually think that if Saddam or North Korea make nuclear weapons that they will say " ohh we dont want to sell this to anyone that disrespects life, we just want it for protection" NO they will use it against us!! All that the anti war protesters are accomplishing is making people that are nuts like Saddam laugh at us, and know how weak we are to be able turn against freedom and our elected leader and instead take the side of MANIACS.. Good work liberals!

  • Realist


    you are mixing up a couple of things here.

    A) if someone is pro war without reflecting the consequences than thats scary and ignorant in my eyes. the US has never experienced a war on their ground with modern weapons. europe has. many europeans know what it means to be bombed. for many americans war is something they watch on CNN...sort of a game. thats why i hate statments like OK LETS BOMB THEM. morons who make such statments forget that it is inncocent people who get killed by the bombs.


    do you actually think that if Saddam or North Korea make nuclear weapons that they will say " ohh we dont want to sell this to anyone that disrespects life, we just want it for protection" NO they will use it against us!!

    ok why would they do this? do they want to be whiped out? what evidence do you have that they would do this? did any of these 2 countries ever do anything against the US? as far as i know it was the US who intermingeled with their affairs.

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