Greg Stafford Letter

by ThiChi 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Just passing this on:

    Posted by GregStafford on Sat - Jan

    18 - 3:02pm: (Written on the ChannelC.org forum)

    Hello,

    I frequently get emails from Jehovah's Witnesses who are concerned about

    certain teachings or policies in the organization, but who are left

    asking, "Even if I think there are significant problems in the

    organization, where else would I go if I left or if I am disfellowshiped

    for speaking out against false teachings and abusive policies?"

    Since this point comes up more than any other in the emails I receive, I

    thought it might be helpful to post some thoughts on this question by

    copying an email I recently sent to a concerned brother. I will keep his

    name confidential, of course.

    Dear *******:

    Sorry for the delay in responding to your last email.

    I am glad to hear that you have some positive leads on how to proceed

    with your situation.

    Regarding the first century Christians, what we have is a situation

    where Christ's followers constantly battled for the truth and for sake

    of the good news. This battle often involved confronting

    persons inside the Christian Congregation who were speaking falsely.

    Indeed, Paul went so far as

    to write that if he, an inspired apostle, or an angel of light, spoke

    differently from what they had

    already been taught, then they should be rejected Galatians 1:8-9).

    So there was a freedom among first century Christians to reject those

    who taught error, and to hold true to one's conscience without fear of

    being shunned. That freedom does not exist in the congregations of

    Jehovah's Witnesses today.

    As for the PAROUSIA, we do not know when this event will begin, or if it

    has begun already. Therefore, we cannot use it as a sure basis upon

    which to act. We must act according to what the Bible teaches and let it

    be our guide. Assuming that God has established an organization today

    because we may be in the period of the PAROUSIA ignores the fact that

    God's chosen organizations of the past have all fallen into periods of

    apostasy.

    Therefore, the question is not whether or not God has an organization

    today, but whether the organization we think is his has fallen into

    doctrinal error. If we truly believe the Watchtower Society represents

    Jehovah's will on earth, then we should be the most concerned of all

    people if we find that errors are being taught. Yet, the thinking of

    some Witnesses is that if it is God's organization we should ignore the

    errors because it is God's organization!

    That, to me, is incredible, and does not conform to the biblical pattern

    where we find God and Christ Jesus approving of individual members of

    their organizations (Jewish and Christian) who reacted to false

    teachings and unholy policies that harmed God's people and that did not

    represent his will. (Compare Jesus' words to the members of the

    congregation in Ephesus, in Revelation 2:1-2.)

    Whether the "dragnet" is still pulling as it was during the Middle Ages,

    who can say? As Christians, we are called to imitate Christ and Christ

    held truth to be paramount: "For this reason I have been born and for

    this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the

    truth. Everyone that is on the side of the truth listens to my voice"

    (John 18:37).

    Paul taught Christians to'obey truth' (Galatians 5:7), and to be

    "pillars in support of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15). In Titus1:14

    "commandments of men" are directly contrasted with "truth." Those who

    turn from the latter to the former are called "deceivers of the mind" in

    verse 10, and we are told to be "reproving them" in verse 3. How can

    this be done in the Watchtower Society today? It cannot be done, except

    from the top down.

    You either accept what the Society says or you are marked and eventually

    disfellowshiped. You are not able to bring a cause for complaint against

    the members of the Governing Body or those responsible for the material

    in the publications.

    They will either correct themselves or they will not. You have no

    recourse but to go along with what is written if you wish to remain a

    member in good standing with the organization. This was not the way of

    the first century Christians. Paul confronted Peter with a serious

    complaint and Peter accepted the counsel. He did not complain that Paul

    was out of place because he did not listen to the one (Peter) whom

    Christ appointed to 'feed his little sheep' (John 21:15-17). He did not

    complain about Paul causing division. How can division be wrong when the

    division is over truth and error? These two must be divided.

    Christians today do not view Paul's action as inappropriate, and yet he

    is an example for all Christians (2 Thessalonians 3:9). Paul was right

    and Peter was wrong, even though Peter was directly charged with

    'feeding' Christ's followers.

    The Bible speaks of weeds and wheat being intermingled until the

    harvest, which harvest appears to be the time of Armageddon, not the

    period since 1914, though I cannot say for sure. No one can. But if that

    is the case, then it should not surprise us to find Christians in all

    walks of life hidden from one another in many instances by "weeds," to

    be united when Christ comes in judgment. Then his people will be

    gathered from the four corners of the earth and comprise the "new

    heavens and the new earth." (Well, at least this is one way to view it.)

    This does not mean we cannot evangelize or tell others what the Bible

    teaches on matters such as Christ's Messiahship, the divine name, God's

    name and identity, and even do so with passion and conviction. But

    understanding the complexities of Christian devotion today and how

    fragmented God's people might be as a result of a wide range of

    religions and authorities can help you have a more balanced perspective

    which will allow those who choose to leave the Watchtower organization

    to carry on their work in smaller numbers.

    You mention that if you left the organization that your zeal would

    likely decline. If your zeal would

    decline as a result of leaving the organization, could it be that your

    zeal is to some extent misguided? I ask this only because it is often a

    problem for Witnesses to remain active apart from the organization

    because the organization has

    conditioned us to think along these lines:

    quote:

    ** w73 7/1 p. 404 Praise Jehovah with His People ***

    16 If we truly appreciate Jehovah's earthly organization, we will remain

    loyal to it, knowing that the organization is his. If we were to leave

    it, where else could we go? There is no other organization that is

    doing the divine will or that is educating people for life everlasting.

    When many abandoned Jesus Christ, he asked his apostles: "You do not

    want to go also, do you?" Peter replied:

    "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life;

    and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God."

    (John 6:66-69)

    ** w74 7/15 p. 438 Have You Really Come to Know God? ***

    21 Perhaps something is said in one of the Watch Tower publications that

    you do not grasp or that adjusts our previous understanding of matters.

    How do you view this? Will you allow doubts to creep in? Will confidence

    be replaced with skepticism? Ask yourself: 'Where did I gain the

    knowledge of the Scriptures that I already have? Has not the spiritual

    food provided through the Watch Tower publications helped me to change

    my life and find contentment and satisfaction? Where else would I go?'

    This is the feeling toward Jehovah's arrangements that the disciples had

    toward Jesus: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of

    everlasting life."-John 6:68.

    **w96 2/1 p. 24 Trust in Jehovah and His Word ***

    9 Stick closely to Jehovah and his organization. Loyally imitate Peter,

    who resolutely stated: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings

    ofeverlasting life." (John 6:52, 60, 66-68)

    Do you see the problem with this type of thinking?

    While Peter in John 6:68 said, "Whom shall we go

    away to," the organization has displaced Jesus with itself, asking,

    "Where else will you go?" So, really, if your zeal is the product of

    your faith and trust in Jesus Christ and Jehovah God, then it will not

    decline. But if it is at all the product of the organization, as the

    organization itself maintains it is, then your zeal likely will decline

    until you are able to derive it solely from the true source of Christian

    inspiration, Christ himself.

    Don't get me wrong, this is still a very tough issue for all of us.

    Especially for those of us with families, and that is why no decision

    should be made in haste. But if we are guided by truth and by a desire

    to hold fast to what can be proven from the Bible, not by enforcing

    beliefs that are questionable as if they are unquestionable, we will

    surely not displease Jesus or Jehovah.

    My recommendation is simply to follow this course, and if you find that

    in so doing you can remain an active member of the Watchtower Society

    then that is what you should do. If not, then you should know that you

    do not need to go anywhere else. It is not a question of where you are,

    but to whom you are loyal, and 'where two or three are gathered in his

    name, there he will be, too' (Matthew 18:20).

    Your brother,

    Greg

  • BATHORY
    BATHORY

    gday chi

    i doubt very much greg authored this.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Regardles of the author, it's wise counsel.
    If it is Greg's work, then I suspect it shall be another nail in the coffin of his WTS life.

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Boy, I don't know, Bathory. This letter is not inconsistent with some of the stuff that I have seen attributed to him lately.

    If it is by him, it is certainly balanced and forward thinking. It also shows a distinct break with JW leadership.

    I suppose it is a natural progression for a person who thinks, researches, and teaches. They begin by defending the organizations doctrines, then move slowly into tweaking them, then eventually outgrowing them.

    If this letter is really by him, he appears to be on the way out. And we all know that it is the Society's trademark to expell anyone intelligent and outspoken.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Well, a known friend of Greg sent it to me. She feels it is his post.............Her word is good enough for me (at this point).

    Edited by - thichi on 21 January 2003 14:47:49

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Well ... I do tend to believe it as Greg has shown some serious reservations about things like the blood doctrine etc.

    hawk

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    If this is Greg's work then he has hit the nail on the head. Confronting the FDS with docrinal errors is tantamount to voting "NO" in an Iraqi election for president. The end result will be the same.

    carmel

  • dannywalsh
    dannywalsh

    I DONT KNOW WHO THIS GREG STAFFORD IS, IS HE SOME KIND OF WATCHTOWER APOLOGIST ?!! IF SO HE SOUNDS A VERY BALANCED AND WISE MAN , I CONGRADULATE HIM ON HIS BALANCED REASONING , HE SOUNDS LIKE ONE VERY KNOWLEDGABLE JEHOVAHS WITNESS WHO (CAN) HANDLE THE TRUTH . SORRY TO SAY THOUGH GREG IF YOUR READING THIS FORUM , YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR SOMEONE FROM BROOKLYN MAY BE READING THIS TOO,AND WHILST THEY MAY BE SECRETLY APPLAUDING YOU FOR YOUR FIRST PUBLISHED WORKS , YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT THE KNIVES WILL BE OUT FOR YOU NOW , SOMEONE LIKE YOU TERRIFIES THEM FOR YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW YOUR STUFF AND AN ABLE RESEARCHER, REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO RAY FRANZ ED DUNLAP AND REINHARD LEGTAT AFTER THEY WROTE THE AID BOOK , I THINK THAT SAME WITCHUNT IS COMING AFTER YOU , I PRAY GODS BLESSING ON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN WHATEVER COURSE YOU DECIDE TO TAKE

  • obiefernandez
    obiefernandez

    There is no doubt to the authenticity of this letter. Go to http://channelc.org and see the original posting, currently near the top of the list. You see, Greg has been a consistent participant in that forum for over a year or more now. The letter is consistent with the opinions that he has been writing for the last six months. There is no dispute about whether he posted it or not there -- if it was a fraud I'm sure it would have caused quite a stir.

    In my opinion, Greg certainly is showing a more open-minded attitude than he has shown in the past and may very well already be 'out' of the organization.

  • stichione
    stichione

    Why isn't this fellow disfellowshipped yet?

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