Blondie's Highlights That You Will Not Hear at the 08-30-2015 WT Study (PRAYER 2)

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    blondie

    BLONDIE’S highlights FROM the 08 29-2015 WT Study (JUNE 15, 2015), pages (25-29)

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    Live in Harmony With the Model Prayer—Part II

    “Your Father knows what you need.”—MATT. 6:8.

    DO YOU RECALL?

    • What is involved in our request for our daily bread?

    • We need to do what in order to have our debts forgiven?

    • How does Jehovah answer our request not to be brought into temptation?

      1-3. Why did one sister feel sure that Jehovah knows what we need?

      LANA will never forget what happened one day in Germany in the summer of 2012. She feels that two of her specific prayers were answered. She offered the first prayer while on a long train ride to the airport. She asked Jehovah to open the way for her to give a witness. She offered the second prayer after she arrived at the airport and learned that her flight had been delayed until the next day. Lana prayed about the fact that she had used up most of her European currency and had no place to stay.

      Specific prayers? Why doesn’t God know what you need before your pray for it?

      (Matthew 6:8) 8 So, do not make yourselves like them, for God YOUR Father knows what things YOU are needing before ever YOU ask him.

      Both sides of the WTS mouth:

      *** w09 2/15 p. 16 par. 10 Do Jesus’ Sayings Influence Your Prayers? ***

      “So, do not make yourselves like them, for God your Father knows what things you are needing before ever you ask him.” (Matt. 6:8) Many Jewish religious leaders made themselves like the Gentiles through excessive wordiness when praying. Heartfelt prayer that includes praise, thanksgiving, and petition is an important part of true worship. (Phil. 4:6) Yet, it would be wrong for us to say the same things over and over again with the thought that repetition is necessary to tell God about our needs. When we pray, we should remember that we are addressing the One who ‘knows what we need before ever we ask him.’

      *** w10 3/15 p. 16 par. 8 Walk by Spirit and Live Up to Your Dedication ***

      How would you answer, though, if someone inquired, “Why should I continue to ask if God already knows ‘what things I am needing before ever I ask him’?” (Matt. 6:8) Well, for one thing, by praying for holy spirit, you acknowledge your reliance on Jehovah. For example, if someone came to you for aid, you would do whatever you could to help him, one reason being that he asked you to assist him, showing trust in you. (Compare Proverbs 3:27.) Likewise, Jehovah finds pleasure in your asking him for his spirit, and he will give it to you.—Prov. 15:8.

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      How specific are prayers at the jw meetings? (prayers at conventions/assemblies are an oral review….as if God needed one)

      2 Hardly had Lana finished the second prayer when she heard someone say, “Hello, Lana, what are you doing here?” The young man who was speaking was a former schoolmate. He was with his mother and grandmother, who were seeing him off on a flight to South Africa. On learning of Lana’s situation, the mother, Elke, warmly invited Lana to stay with them. Elke and her mother were hospitable to Lana and kept asking questions about her beliefs and her work as a full-time evangelizer.

      Only 2 prayers on the same day….yet the other sister prayed 24/7.

      3 The next morning, after a hearty breakfast, Lana answered more Bible questions, and she got her hosts’ contact information in order to follow up their interest. Lana returned home safely and continues her service as a regular pioneer. She feels that the “Hearer of prayer” was involved in how things worked out.—Ps. 65:2.

      So what happened with these people; did she follow up, did they become jws? How could non-jws show Christian love when under the control of Satan? What was she doing there alone without preparations for a place to stay?

      4. What needs will we consider?

      4 When we are suddenly faced with a problem, we may have no difficulty praying for help, and Jehovah is delighted to hear such pleas from his loyal ones. (Ps. 34:15; Prov. 15:8) If we meditate on the model prayer, however, we may find that there are other greater needs that we might overlook. For example, consider how our spiritual needs are revealed in the last three requests of the model prayer. And is there more we can do to live in harmony with the fourth request, concerning our daily bread?—Read Matthew 6:11-13.

      Pray only when having problems yourself, not for others with problems even non-jws? No thanks to God?

      “GIVE US TODAY OUR BREAD FOR THIS DAY”

      5, 6. Why is our request for our bread for the day important even if we have sufficient material things?

      5 Notice that this is a personal request not purely for “my” bread for the day but for “our” bread for the day. Victor, a circuit overseer in Africa, explains: “I often sincerely thank Jehovah that my wife and I don’t have to be seriously concerned about where our next meal will come from, nor do we have to worry about who will pay the rent. Our brothers kindly look after us every day. But I do pray that those helping us will manage to handle the economic pressures they face.”

      What about the “brothers” financial situation? Are they robbing themselves and their families of the bread for this day? Paul did not expect his fellow Christians to support him; he worked to support himself.

      6 If we have sufficient food for many days, we can think of brothers who live in poverty or who are affected by disasters. We should not only pray for them but also act in harmony with our prayers. For example, we can share what we have with fellow worshippers in need. We can also regularly contribute to the worldwide work, knowing that such funds are used wisely.—1 John 3:17.

      How do we know that the funds donated to the WTS get to jws in disasters? What about jws that are “encouraged” to sign over their insurance to the WTS if they choose to have the WTS rebuild their homes? Who provides food, water, medicine, non-jw organizations such as the Red Cross?

      7. How did Jesus illustrate his advice that we should “never be anxious about the next day”?

      7 In referring to our daily bread, Jesus likely meant our immediate needs. Thus, he went on to show how God clothes the wildflowers, and then he said: “Will he not much rather clothe you, you with little faith? So never be anxious and say, . . . ‘What are we to wear?’” He concluded by repeating this important advice: “Never be anxious about the next day.” (Matt. 6:30-34) This shows that rather than be materialistic, we should be content with our basic daily needs. Such needs may include suitable accommodations, employment to provide for our family, and wisdom to cope with health concerns. If we were to pray only for such physical needs, however, it would indicate an imbalance. We have spiritual needs that are of much greater importance.

      Likely—word used by WTS to add to the bible account

      Do you see jws in your area content with daily needs…or are they planning for the future, saving money, working a better job, buying insurance? What are “suitable” accommodations, enough to provide for our family (only basic daily needs of course), so wisdom is what we need for health concerns not medicine and the wisdom of a physician?

      8. Jesus’ reference to our daily bread should remind us of what important need? (See opening image.)

      8 Jesus’ reference to our daily bread should remind us of our need for spiritual food. “Man must live,” said our Master, “not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.” (Matt. 4:4) So we should continue to pray that Jehovah will keep on feeding us with timely spiritual food.

      Spiritual food…only through the WTS…as they only speak for God.

      “FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS”

      9. In what sense are our sins “debts”?

      9 Why did Jesus use the word “debts,” whereas on a later occasion, he spoke of “sins”? (Matt. 6:12; Luke 11:4) Over 60 years ago, this journal nicely explained: “A sin of transgression against God’s law puts us in debt to him. . . . For our sin God could demand and exact our lives. . . . He could withdraw his peace from us, breaking off all peaceful relations with us. . . . We owe him love, expressed in obedience; and when we sin we fail in paying our debt of love to him, for sin is unloving toward God.”—1 John 5:3.

      Expressed in obedience to God or the WTS or does God=WTS?

      w13 11/15 p. 20 par. 17 Seven Shepherds, Eight Dukes—What They Mean for Us Today

      17 Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith.

      10. On what basis can Jehovah forgive our sins, and how should we feel about that?

      10 Our daily need for forgiveness highlights the only legal basis on which God can cancel our sins—Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. Though this ransom was paid nearly 2,000 years ago, we should cherish it as if it were a gift given today. “The ransom price” for our lives “is so precious” that nothing any imperfect human could do for us would come near to paying it. (Read Psalm 49:7-9; 1 Peter 1:18, 19.) Indeed, we should never cease to thank Jehovah for this great gift. Also, the expression “our sins,” not “my sins,” should remind us that all in our family of worshippers need this merciful provision. Clearly, Jehovah wants us to be concerned not only about our own spiritual welfare but also about that of others, including those who might have sinned against us. Usually, such sins are minor and give us an opportunity to show that we truly love our brothers and are willing to forgive, as God has mercifully forgiven us.—Col. 3:13.

      Only God can cancel sins, not elders, not a JC, not the WTS/GB.

      Our sins—yes, supposedly even the elders need God’s mercy. Those “we have sinned against” not as much those who have sinned against us. Perhaps the elders give out mercy as David, adulterer and murderer received because he was the king and the forefather of the Messiah, not like those who had sinned against him. (Usually…minor sins like child abuse, wife abuse, liars, gossipers).

      1. A wife is upset with her husband; 2. The husband talks to her and asks for forgiveness; 3. The wife forgives her husband

      If you desire God’s forgiveness, be forgiving toward others (See paragraph 11)

      11. Why is it important to have a forgiving spirit?

      11 Sadly, as imperfect humans, we may sometimes harbor a grudge against another. (Lev. 19:18) If we talk about the matter, others may side with us, causing a division in the congregation. If we allow such a situation to continue, it would show a lack of appreciation for God’s mercy and the ransom. Our Father will cease to apply to us the value of his Son’s sacrifice if we display an unforgiving spirit. (Matt. 18:35) Jesus elaborated on this immediately after giving the model prayer. (Read Matthew 6:14, 15.) Finally, to benefit from God’s forgiveness, we must strive to avoid making a practice of serious sin. Our desire to avoid practicing sin leads to the next request.—1 John 3:4, 6.

      So who are holding grudges? Have you had elders and their family stop talking to you and when you try to find out how you offended them, they say “nothing.” Finally you find out from one of their “friends” that has been gossiping about it to others. So what do you do then to make amends for “nothing”?

      “DO NOT BRING US INTO TEMPTATION”

      12, 13. (a) What happened to Jesus shortly after his baptism? (b) Why must we take responsibility if we fall into temptation? (c) What did Jesus accomplish by remaining faithful till death?

      12 Considering what happened to Jesus shortly after his baptism can help us to understand the need for the request: “Do not bring us into temptation.” Jesus was led into the wilderness by God’s spirit. Why? “To be tempted by the Devil.” (Matt. 4:1; 6:13) Should that surprise us? Not if we grasp the main reason why God sent his Son to the earth. That was to settle the issue raised when Adam and Eve rejected God’s sovereignty. Questions needed time to be settled. For example, was something wrong with the way God created man? Was it possible for a perfect human to uphold God’s sovereignty regardless of pressures from “the wicked one”? And would mankind be better off independent of God’s rulership, as Satan implied? (Gen. 3:4, 5) Answering such questions would require time but would show all intelligent creation that Jehovah exercises his sovereignty in a beneficial way.

      Was there an Adam and Eve? If perfect humans, why would Eve talk to a snake and why did Adam not say there were no talking snakes? Imperfect people are warned about persons like Satan, why did God not warn Adam and Eve?

      13 Jehovah is holy and therefore never tempts anyone to do evil. Rather, it is the Devil who is “the Tempter.” (Matt. 4:3) The Devil can create tempting situations. Yet, it is up to each individual whether he will allow himself to be brought into temptation or not. (Read James 1:13-15.) For his part, Jesus immediately rejected each temptation by the use of a relevant quotation from God’s Word. Thus, Jesus upheld God’s rightful sovereignty. But Satan did not give up. He waited “until another convenient time.” (Luke 4:13) Jesus continued to resist all of Satan’s efforts to break his integrity. Christ upheld the righteousness of Jehovah’s sovereignty and proved that a perfect human can be faithful despite the most extreme test. However, Satan attempts to ensnare Jesus’ followers, including you.

      Have you had jws say that God tests people?

      (James 1:13) 13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. . .

      So if jws use scripture to point out the error of an elder’s counsel, will they listen?

      14. We need to do what in order not to fall into temptation?

      14 Because of the ongoing issue regarding God’s sovereignty, Jehovah allows the Tempter to use this world to tempt us. God is not bringing us into temptation. On the contrary, he has confidence in us and he wants to help us. Out of respect for our free will, though, Jehovah does not automatically prevent us from falling into temptation. We have to do two things—remain spiritually awake and persist in prayer. How does Jehovah answer our prayers?

      “ongoing”—since Jesus took over in heaven in 1914 and is “ruling in the midst of his enemies” the WTS wants jws to know that the issue is still valid. So David obviously prayed but it did not keep him from choosing to take someone else’s wife (although he had several of his own) and when he was going to be found out by humans (God already knew) he had the husband killed. Yet, what happened to him directly, nothing, got to keep Bathsheba (under the law she should have died), the baby died though who was innocent, his wives were humiliated in public, his sons died…

      Maintain your spirituality and zeal for the ministry (See paragraph 15)

      15, 16. (a) What are some temptations that we need to resist? (b) Who is responsible if a person falls into temptation?

      15 Jehovah gives us his powerful holy spirit, which can strengthen us and help us to resist temptation. God also forewarns us through his Word and the congregation about situations that we must avoid, such as spending excessive time, money, and energy on nonessential material things. Espen and Janne live in an affluent European country. For many years, they were regular pioneers in a part of their country where the need was great. With the birth of their first child, they had to stop pioneering, and now they have a second child. “We often pray to Jehovah,” says Espen, “that we may not fall into temptation now that we are unable to spend as much time as we previously did in theocratic activities. We ask Jehovah to help us maintain our spirituality and zeal for the ministry.”

      What is excessive time, money, energy on nonessential material things---cruises, 2 or 3 trips to the islands every year, working 60 hours a week, building a new house, every member of the family having their own car, yet I was in one congregation where every elder’s family were living this way. So were these oops babies (a lot of those got sisters to get their husbands to leave Bethel). Raising children is not a theocratic activity evidently.

      16 Another temptation that has come to the fore in modern times is the viewing of pornography. If we fall into such a temptation, we cannot blame Satan. Why? Because Satan and his world cannot force us to do anything against our will. Some have given in to this temptation by allowing their minds to dwell on what is bad. But we can resist, even as thousands of our brothers have done.—1 Cor. 10:12, 13.

      And porn raises its head again…of course all the examples are about brothers, women have no value for privileges.

      “DELIVER US FROM THE WICKED ONE”

      17. (a) How can we live in harmony with our request to be delivered from the wicked one? (b) What relief must be near?

      17 To live in harmony with the request “deliver us from the wicked one,” we must strive to be “no part of [Satan’s] world.” We must “not love either [Satan’s] world or the things in the world.” (John 15:19; 1 John 2:15-17) Doing so is an ongoing struggle. What a relief it will be when Jehovah answers this request by removing Satan and causing his wicked world to pass away! We must remember, though, that when Satan was hurled out of heaven, he knew that his time was short. Enraged, he does all he can to make us break our integrity. So we must keep praying for deliverance from him.—Rev. 12:12, 17.

      So do you know jws that are glued to their phone, ipad, laptop, television, etc., video games, dvds, and whatever technology I am not in tune to.

      Satan short time….1914 to 2015, 101 years, short for Satan who was lived at least 6,000 years per WTS chronology.

      When asking/praying for the “wicked world to pass away” jws are asking for 8 billion non-jws (including babies and children) to die forever without any hope of a resurrection.

      18. To survive the end of Satan’s world, what must we continue to do?

      18 Do you desire such a happy outcome? Then continue to pray for God’s Kingdom to sanctify God’s name and cause his will to be done on earth. Look to Jehovah to supply your spiritual and physical needs. Yes, be determined to live in harmony with the model prayer.

      A person can pray and live in harmony with it but not apart from the WTS.

      But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

      "But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." Watchtower 1993 Sep 15 p.22

      CONCLUDING COMMENTS

      What a boring article, two articles. And yet, as many gather at regional conventions this summer, the final prayer will break all the rules, being used for counsel and reviewing the points for God instead he was not attending.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    So "Satan" cannot be blamed when JWs reap the consequences of bad choices?? Saying, "It's Satan's fault!", doesn't cut it.

    Let's see if the GB blame Satan for their Pedo-lawsuits.

    I also like how it's YOUR fault. God allowed evil. He allowed "Satan" to corrupt untold numbers of angels in heaven, instead of zapping him out of existence the very nano-second he rebelled in his heart.

    God allowed evil, he does not shield you from Satan, he allows you to be tested, but claims he does not test you. Then when you fail, it's YOUR fault.

    DD

    DD

  • prologos
    prologos

    connect the dots on Paragraph 8 : " --word from Jehovah's mouth." Mat 4:4 -- see opening image, Jackson/ Sanderson/Lett

    timely "spiritual food" from wtbts. Jehovah's mouth = wt's GB. presumptuous to say ?

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M

    In regards to porn: Some have given in to this temptation by allowing their minds to dwell on what is bad. But we can resist, even as thousands of our brothers have done.

    That is an odd statement. Given that there are millions of brothers, is the article suggesting that the ones that resist only reach into the thousands?

    In regards to not blaming Satan, I agree. But the same could be said for any other temptation. As the saying goes - we are our own worst enemy.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Survive the end of Satan's world? Into what, communism? Private property is abolished--you work, someone else decides how the fruits are to be administered. There is no freedom. Having children is discouraged--genocide? The soul just rots away, slaving for a few scumbags at the top and having no time to take in real knowledge.

    Fact is, once Satan left the earth, the Golden Age ended. Christi-SCAM-ity forcibly imposed itself on mankind, and those with knowledge were slaughtered. Life was miserable back then. All progress was lost, and diseases that Satanic knowledge would have easily prevented ravaged the whole population. The Plague highlighted that, being worse than the infamous Spanish flu. Under Satan, there would have been no Plague.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Don't know if the pic will work.. I don't have time to Photobucket it.

    This was the masthead pic for the article that followed. It shows everything that I despise about this modern glitzy shallow organization. With smug chubby G J on the left. Lett reigning from his tv set, and the yukky schmultzy Caleb & Sophia images in the middle.

    I could not take it seriously after that.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Hearing JWs speak of Caleb and Sophia in reverent tones is disgusting.

    DD

  • pixel
    pixel
    That pic from the masthead... you can see is all about little kids...
  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Awesome to see Blondie's WT review, thanks!

    The WT continues further down this road of suggesting that God answers individual requests, in this case providing a nights lodging so that 'Lana' could give a witness, without ever talking about what is going on if nothing happens: did I ask wrong, was it the wrong thing to pray for, how do I interpret the results in comparison to the ask??

    My niece prays for cheap airfare to a foreign country so that she can return to work for the WT there, and if she doesn't find a good fare, concludes that Jehovah didn't want her to go, instead of realizing that fares go up and down with the market.

    The idiots at the top are generating more and more idiots in the rank and file.

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