How Far Apart Were Your Legs?

by Joe Grundy 70 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  problemaddict 2

  Let me add a personal experience here too.

  When I was 18 I had sex with a JW girl I really liked and was talking to (had my bethel application in and had family there that was walking my application up so it was a done deal....boy am I glad I fornicated!).

  Short story is I was disfellowshipped because it was "ongoing". But when I sat in my meeting, the guys started to get into the details, and an elder who I really liked (and still have much respect for....not an elder anymore also), took control of the group and said the following before it got going.

  "problemaddict, so this is uncomfortable to talk about and you have come to us to talk about something very personal. I want to tell you, we don't want to know details, or personal information. Even the question i am about to ask I would rather not, but this will be the only one. Were you together with _____ multiple times? Meaning, what you came to us to discuss happened more than once right?"

  Me: Yes.

  "Okay well I am very sorry to have asked you that my brother and that is all we need to know. Lets talk about why you decided to come and talk to us"

  So......I grew up around guys like this. Real deal people. BUT......the girl I spoke to told me about her meeting. It was personal, it was in depth, it was detailed, and she felt dirty telling three men by herself wether she had orally pleased her boyfriend, and enjoyed the sex that she had. At one point she told these guys...."don't all you guys have kids? I'm sure you know how this works. I don't want to talk about it anymore".

  I was legitimately shocked! I just wasn't around those same types of people. Even now my exit has nothing to do with being around the nightmare people I hear about here all the time. Its amazing how experience varies so much.
  
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  Vidiot

  This is concussion-inducing-facepalm territory.
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  brandnew

  This story needs to go mainline.....like CNN , ABC , NBC, ....really these assholes need to be dealt with.....uuuuuggghhhhh
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  Vidiot

  ProblemAddict, did you and her stay together after all that?
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  Tornintwo

  When I was 18 my now husband and I came very close to committing fornication and were reproved for 'pornea', I sat in a room with 3 elders who asked me where he put his member, if it was hard, etc etc.... I can't believe now that I went along with it, I remember thinking, 'this is a bit weird' but I was wholeheartedly convinced i had the truth and just wanted to confess and have it over and done with.

  I look back now I have 2 daughters and think I would never, ever ,ever allow either one of them to go through that, thinking back at the slow methodical, intrusive and unnecessary nature of questioning and the semi-smirks on their faces I am convinced eat least 2 were aroused.

  Other posters are right, how many girls have gone through this procedure? Must be thousands!!! What would the media say if they got hold of this? It's absolutely outrageous. Wish someone would tape it happening then there'd be a real story.
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  Boeing Stratofortress

  Reading all this has really got my blood boiling! This 'religion,' and their sick, perverted elders must be held accountable. Like the saying goes, "think globally, ACT LOCALLY." In other words, if we each do our part on a local level, then there should be a cumulative effect over time...combined with the negative publicity in the news networks, which should force the WTBS to change, or die. The Texas billboard is a good example. With that in mind, is there anyone from Oklahoma, USA on this thread??
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  cultBgone

  Was told my preschool-aged daughter would have to face her accuser in a jc. I told them there was no way that I would allow her to be further traumatized and they backed off. But they also pulled the Don't Tell Anyone What Happened line because big j's name would be dragged through the mud. I still can't believe I stayed "in" after that happened, but like most I believed it to be personal shortcomings of those particular elders.

  That's a good reason to get this out before the public, because the mysogynistic abuse of women in this cult is not only barbaric but epidemic and must be stopped.
  
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  cha ching

  Thank you conceptual99, I remembered the same thing, "that there is no need to go into "needless details, especially in regard to sexual matters."

  In some congregations, the elders did not go into detail. It is infuriating that other men have done this. The fact that they questioned kids w/o their parents is maddening.

  That is why you need to have people trained to deal with child abuse, not people without a safeguard, not having to answer to 'the law.'

  'Isn't this when things go bad, when you have an organization that polices itself inhouse"?

  Remember, though, "It's God's organization... who else better to handle this than the ones who will soon rule God's kingdom? Let's do what the organization tells us to do, and call the Legal Department first"
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  cha ching

  What if you were a little boy, sitting at the meeting.... you hear, "When a woman is raped, she must scream, otherwise she will die at Armageddon."..... What do you hear? blah, blah blah.... you are a boy, right? Do you know what rape is? Have you ever thought of being 'raped' cuz... well, you are a guy?

  Then, you are 'raped', learn what it means.... Uh oh.... you didn't scream.... Are you so afraid of dying at Armageddon, because you were raped, that you didn't tell anyone?
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  _Morpheus

  The JC is the most culty aspect of the organization. Its so far from appropriate or nessary.