Time again!

by Bruce144 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Bruce144
    Bruce144

    Hi all.

    Time again for me to face the ridicule and you to face the facts that the 144,000 are replacing the fallen angels. Just 21 reasons, not much reading but a lot of facts.

    1. The fallen angels left their abodes and cohabited with the daughters of men. Jude 6, Gen. 6: 2-4

    2. They were placed into Tartarus, after the flood, a lower debased position. Still having access to both heaven and earth. Job 1: 6, 11Pet. 2: 5.

    3. Jesus preached to them once he went to heaven, the spirits that were disobedient before the flood, while the ark was being built. 1Pet. 3: 19,20.

    4. The children of the fallen angels were giants. Jehovah allowed 120 years until he would destroy the world of wicked people and the Giants. Gen. 6: 3,4

    5. The unclean animals represent the Gentiles, the clean animals the Israelites. The beginning of the separation between the Jews and Gentiles. Lev. 20: 25,26

    6. God told Noah to take 14 each of the clean animals, male and female by sevens, going into the ark by twos. Gen. 7: 2,8,9

    7. There were three types of people before the flood. The fallen angels, their giant children and Adam and Eves offspring. Only the clean and unclean, representing the Gentiles and Israelites, were taken into the ark, those to populate the cleansed earth. Gen. 7: 2,8,9 also (Symbolic)

    8. The dinosaurs were left behind to represent the large giants, never again to inhabit the earth. The saber-toothed tiger, mastodon, mammoth, giant ground sloth, wholly rhinoceros and spices of birds were left behind to picture the fallen angels. Symbolic and scientific. The dinosaurs and other animals listed, all died at the flood.

    9. The twelve extra clean animals represent the 144,000 as a replacement, for the fallen angels to be taken from the 12 tribes of Israel. They were the sheep, goats, antelope, deer, cattle and a variety of game birds. Lev. 11: 2-7.

    10. Peter's dream about the clean and unclean animals would now allow the Gentiles to be part of the 144,000. Starting with the house of Cornelius. After Jesus' death the Jews becoming Christians were few and far between. Acts 10: 11-35

    11. Jesus told us how the legions of angels are numbered, 12 legions or more. The number shown in some Bibles is 72,000. This is man's number, 6000 men to each Roman legion. Jehovah's number is 12 or 12,000 to each legion, numbering 144,000. Matt. 26: 53.

    12. The Society says that the 24 angels throughout Rev. are the 144,000 in their heavenly places. The 24 elders sang a new song only to be mastered by the 144,000. The 24 elders are two groups of 12 and not one group of 24. Rev. 5: 9,10 Rev. 14: 3

    13. Satan took a third of 36 legions or 12 legions of 12,000 each. The two groups of 12 remained in heaven. The strong three strand cord at Ecc.4: 11,12 shown not to be easily broken, pictures the breaking apart of the 36 legions. Satan now stands alone.

    14. The 4 angels with the 24 elders are seraphim not cherubs as the Society teaches. They have six wings as stated at Rev. 4: 8 and Isa. 6: 2.

    15. Satan was a cherub angel and would suggest that he was one of 4, being a cherub angel, if the Society was right. Satan was one of 12. When Jesus said, have I not chosen you 12 and one of you is a devil, this related directly to Judas, but was also symbolic of Satan becoming a devil among 12 elders. Eze. 28: 14, John 6: 70.

    16. That is why the 144,000 are build upon the 12 apostles, the foundation stones of the Church of Christ and Jesus being the corner stone. Eph. 2: 19,20. Rev. 21: 14.

    17. When Jesus prepared a place in heaven for the 144,000 he first had to get rid of the wicked angels. Only after doing this could he call the 144,000 to their heavenly places, with the shout and voice of the archangel. 1Thess. 4: 16,

    18. Only after sitting on his own glorious throne, could the 12 apostles sit upon theirs. Until that time he sat on the right hand of God, before making his enemies a footstool for his feet, namely the fallen angels. Acts 2: 34, Matt. 19: 28.

    19. Only after the places were prepared could the 12 apostles and those of the 144,000 that died in the first century, go to their heavenly places. They had to sleep in death, whereas those of us today upon death go immediately to the prepared places. 1Cor. 15: 51,52.

    20. All of the 144,000 must die, whereas members of the great crowd can live forever, once they pass the final judgment at the end of the 1000 years. This alone shows that flesh and blood cannot inherit the heavenly realm, but remain on a perfect new earth. John 11: 26, Isa. 65: 17-25.

    21. There are millions of angels in Jehovah's spiritual army, but only those having direct contact with those remaining in heaven or leaving are mentioned throughout Revelation. Michael and his angels threw out the bad, making room for the good. Now Michael with his newly inherited name of Jesus, could call his and his Father's heirs to their prepared places. A perfect heavens, preparing the way for a perfect earth, fulfilling Jesus commission to his Father Jehovah. "With a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth. In him." (Eph. 1: 10)

    Agape, Bruce Bainbridge

  • BadAssociate
    BadAssociate

    man can i buy a smilie pill off you?

    BADASSOCIATE

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    So there were exactly 144,000 fallen angels? How convenient.

  • Bruce144
    Bruce144

    Hi Joelbear,

    The 144,000 fallen angels are certainly more convenient than 144,000 selected Jews, especially when Jesus talks of 12 legions or more of angels at Matt. 26: 53.
    Twelve thousand from each of the 12 tribes of Israel was the original chosen number of Jews to replace the fallen angels until it was necessary to take in the Gentles to make up the difference.

    Gal. 3, shows that both males and females make up the children of Abraham by means of Christ. All virgins to the body of Christ and not all males as some believe. The 24 elders sang a song only to be mastered by the 144,000. The 24 elders are two groups of 144,000 each, or two-thirds that remained faithful. Satan and the demons make up a third of this group or 144,000 that left their abodes and had sex with women. The necessity of having them replaced, is to replace the required amount making up Jehovah's Armies or new heavens complete with perfect angels, followed by an earth with perfect people.

  • LDH
    LDH
    . They were placed into Tartarus, after the flood, a lower debased position. Still having access to both heaven and earth. Job 1: 6, 11Pet. 2: 5.

    Archaeologists have since discovered that Tartarus has modern day counterparts! Yes, South Central LA as well as numerous mid-western Trailer parks have been cited as possible modern-day locations of Tartarus.

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    is that the Labreah(SP?) TARTAR pit?>??

    carmel who thinks bruz loves the attention

  • Bruce144
    Bruce144

    Hi Carmel.

    The only attention I love, is the attention given by persons to finally understand why the 144,000 are needed in heaven. This added to the fact that Jehovah destroyed the giants along with the dinosaurs at the flood will make their time on earth equal with ours and not 65,000,000 years ago. Growing to such large sizes by evolving and then suddenly being wiped out is a fantasy equal to none known. They were destroyed by God for the purpose of symbolizing the giant offspring, never permitted again by the fallen angels to produce their own children and physically run the world.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Bruce,

    No, you don`t get ridiculed here. You might get a bit of leg pulling because you always come back to the same point of view, but thats OK, everyone here thinks that I`m a compulsive beer drinker!

    Englishman

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