Two lies more from the Society

by ServetMiguel 19 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • ServetMiguel
    ServetMiguel

    I suggest when the Society quotes somebody, we should confirm that they are usin the quotation in its context because the Society is a master in deceiving and taking out of context everything. Here you are another three lies more.

    Watchtower 15/5/1983 page 6.

    *** w83 5/15 6 Earthquakes-A Sign of the End? *** Some seismologists believe that the earth is now in an active earthquake period. For example, Professor Keiiti Aki of the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology speaks of the apparent surge in intensity and frequency of major earthquakes during the last one hundred years, though stating that the period from 1500 through 1700 was as active.

    Well, I wrote to Mr. Aki asking for a copy of the letter which he sent to the Watchtower. He sent the following, First an introductory letter and second a copy.

    Enclosed please find a copy of my letter to Watchtower Society. Although the first paragraph is somewhat incomplete (the main reason why I believe that the earthquake activity is constant is shortened to "The main reason"), it is clear that they quoted the part they wanted, eliminating my main message.

    An the Akis answer to the Watchtower letter says:

    This is in response to your inquiry about earthquakes [EC:ESH September 24, 1982]. The apparent surge in intensity and frequency of major earthquakes during the 1ast one hundred years is, in a11 probabi1ity , due to the improved recording of earthquakes and the increased vulnerability of human society to earthquake damage. The main reason is the we11 estab1ished p1ate tectonics which indicates a very steady fau1t motion over the past many mi11ions of years . A measure of earthquake strength more objective than casua1ty is the Richter sca1e. It is in genera1 difficult to assign the Richter sca1e to earthquakes more than 100 years ago. An attempt , however, has been made in China , where historica1 records are kept in better shape than in other regions. Enclosed figure shows the Richter Sca1e (M) of earthquakes in China during the period of about 2000 years. The past 100 years are certainly active , but there have been periods as active as that, for exronp1e, from 1500 to 1700.

    As you may notice, Aki does not agree with the Society and Furthermore his answer was for CHINA and not for world conditions as the watchtower wants us to believe.

    Another quotation comes from the book, let your kingdom come:

    *** kc 187 Appendix to Chapter 14 *** From a secular viewpoint, such lines of evidence might seem to establish the Neo-Babylonian chronology with Nebuchadnezzars 18th year (and the destruction of Jerusalem) in 587/6 B.C.E. However, no historian can deny the possibility that the present picture of Babylonian history might be misleading or in error. It is known, for example, that ancient priests and kings sometimes altered records for their own purposes. Or, even if the discovered evidence is accurate, it might be misinterpreted by modern scholars or be incomplete so that yet undiscovered material could drastically alter the chronology of the period.

    Evidently realizing such facts, Professor Edward F. Campbell, Jr., introduced a chart, which included Neo-Babylonian chronology, with the caution: It goes without saying that these lists are provisional. The more one studies the intricacies of the chronological problems in the ancient Near East, the less he is inclined to think of any presentation as final. For this reason, the term circa [about] could be used even more liberally than it is.The Bible and the Ancient Near East (1965 ed.), p. 281.

    Well, I wrote to Mr. Campbell and this was his answer:

    As you have sensed, the J.W. misconstrued completely my intent. The dates are really so close to being exact that I did not use circa with the ones for the Neo-Babylonian era.

    Circa was used when the deviation might be as much as a decade. None of the Neo-Babylonian dates can be possible be that far off. Im afraid that J.W. was searching for an ally where they do not have one! 587/6 BC for Jerusalems destruction is certainly within one year of being right.

    The best sources for the dates of this period are the Babylonian chronicle, which confirms the 597 date for the first defeat of Jerusalem. (Italics theirs)

    Campbells answer is obvious so I do have to add nothing. What I would like to say is that how people can believe that The Society is the truth when there are hundreds of evidences which say the opposite just we need to check a bit her quotations.

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Excellent work!!!

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    Would it be possible for you to post a scan of this letter?
    Thanks,

    Path

  • minimus
    minimus

    Most Witnesses will not do research. When a Witness does research, they become apostates.

  • FreeFallin
    FreeFallin

    Thank you for your research. It certainly is an eye opener.

    Free

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Hello ServetMiquel:

    Welcome to the board and thank you for your excellent detective work!!!

    Is it possible to provide us with scans of these letters replying to your requests?

    Scanned copies would be very helpful for those of us collecting proof of the WTS's deceitful practices of mis-using "selective quotations" as false agreement with their teachings. It will also be of help to any JWs who are reading this information here, to see the true side of the WTS.

    Thanks again.

    Had Enough

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    I'd like to 'second' Had Enough's request for scans. These are very important points and scanned copies will provide the corroboration.

    Good work, ServetMiquel

    Welcome aboard!

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • ServetMiguel
    ServetMiguel

    I have been trying to put the scan copies here and It is impossible for me to do it. Would somebody explain to me how to do it or otherwise I will post them directly in your private mail

    Miguel Servet

  • amac
    amac

    Great research! I'm going to unlock my email addy. If you can't post the scans, I would love to have them emailed to me. Thanks for your work.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Miguel,

    : However, no historian can deny the possibility that the present picture of Babylonian history might be misleading or in error.

    Then why have none of them done that?

    : It is known, for example, that ancient priests and kings sometimes altered records for their own purposes.

    Yes, the Assyrians did that, but NOT the Babylonians. THAT is what the Watchtower won't mention. That absurd reasoning is like saying, "we know that the ancient Japanese ate frogs, so the Mayans must also have eaten frogs."

    : Or, even if the discovered evidence is accurate, it might be misinterpreted by modern scholars or be incomplete so that yet undiscovered material could drastically alter the chronology of the period.

    "even if", "might be", "or be," "could." Yeah, that makes an airtight argument, alright!

    Farkel

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    The WTBTS is based upon so many inconsistencies, half-truths, and downright misrepresentation of information. But, normally they don't have to worry. They have a good mind control system going on, and members are taught from day one, that to question anything regarding the organization is tentamount to questioning God. To question God is apostacy. But remember, the organization is right up there "with God". So, they get you, and then they've "gotcha" in a mind controling prison that affects every aspect of your being.

    Once a person does begin to question things and find answers for themselves, they do realize the awful fact that JW's are wrong. Then they have to decide how to proceed, as they just simply can't "change their mind" and leave. The WTBTS exacts a price for such individual free thinking. Most of us here have paid that price and are continuing to pay it, especially when it causes a breech between family members and close friends.

    Thank you very much for your thread!

    Love and Light,

    Sentinel

  • detective
    detective

    The beauty of "undiscovered material" is that, if found, it could:

    *prove that Elvis is still alive
    *prove the moon is made of cheese
    *prove the earth is actually flat

    *Prove that Jehovah and Santa hit the links every Thursday (oops, there could never be any undiscovered material that would support that, right? )

  • Pork Chop
    Pork Chop

    You're way out of date on the earthquake thing. They gave up on that some time ago.

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Pork Chop:

    You're way out of date on the earthquake thing. They gave up on that some time ago.

    Yes I've read recent JW articles that now say that the Bible prophecies do not say that there would be an increase in earthquakes, but that their effect would be felt moreso...or words to that effect. (which btw..did the WTS recently come right out and say...we now have new light...its not that increasing earthquakes would indicate we are in the last days, but now new light shows us that it would be the effect of......blah, blah.??) So yes the info is outdated.....

    However, it is still good to have the incriminating evidence of the WTS's manipulations of quotations that were, and still are, purposely used to deceive the reader into thinking that even some "worldly" authority agrees with the WTS's knowledge which of course only they (the GB) are privy to having been blessed by god to be the one and only chosen source to understand Bible prophecies.

    ServetMiguel:

    If you cannot post scans of the letters you received from the real authors of these quotations, I'd be happy to receive copies of them in my email. Thank you for your offer.

    Had Enough

  • ServetMiguel
    ServetMiguel

    Yes, I knew that the doctrine about earthquakes had changed but the old doctrine is still in the watchtower magazine so we can see how they were lying for decades. I do not think that the information I have posted it is not useful.

    On Saturday, I will send scanned copies to everybody who wrote in the forum that would like to receive the copies.

    Take care guys

    Miguel Servet

  • VM44
    VM44

    Miguel, I would like a copy of the scanned documents as well. Here is my email address: vmstr44@hotmail.com --VM44

  • Etude
    Etude

    ServetMiguel:

    I would also like a copy of the letters responding to your research. Can you please send them to frmrbethelite@yahoo.com. Thank you.

    Etude.

  • Nowhere
    Nowhere

    I would too appriciate a scanned copy of the letters.

    //thanks

  • Matty
    Matty

    Many thanks again ServetMiguel.

    I am too particularly interested in the "earthquakes happening in one place after another" dogma. I think you will find that the majority of witnesses have not picked up on this new "light". I heard the same old view reiterated in a public talk two months ago.

    The ones that are not too convinced that we have had an epidemic of quakes on this planet since 1914 usually say stuff like, "this will probably have a major fulfilment later, perhaps during the great tribulation" to explain it away. It worries some greatly when there hasn't been a big quake for a while! When there is a report of a major tremor where much life has been lost, you can positively feel the relief and feeling of vindication amongst some!

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    These scans were very interesting. If anyone would like to assist ServetMiguel in putting these up on the internet (perhaps on a website of yours), he might appreciate some assistance.

    Path

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