Will you share in the Synthetic Resurrection?

by Nathan Natas 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    The Dodo, the Wooly Mammoth, the Giant Moa, the Thylacine. Gone. Extinct.

    Or...???

    Last week on "The Learning Channel" on (satellite) Dish TV I happened across a program titled, "The End of Extinction: Cloning the Tasmanian Tiger."

    The Tasmanian Tiger, or Thylacine, is a species of marsupial carnivore. Imagine a slender tan opposum the size of a small wolf and you're on the right track. In fact, the Thylacine has been called "the marsupial wolf," or "the kangaroo wolf." It _IS_ related to the kangaroo, and it _IS_NOT_ related to the wolf.

    It existed unitl as recently as 1939, when the last zoo specimin died. It became extinct as a direct result of a bounty program supported by the government.

    Now, a remarkable scientific effort has begun with the intention of bringing the extinct Thylacine back to life, by cloning it using DNA found in preserved museum specimens.

    If you believe in the supremacy of man's mind over imaginary invisible friends and childhood fairy stories, I urge you to visit the link below and read about the project, then consider making a monetary contribution to help support this project. Your contribution should be sent to:

    Professor Mike Archer, Director
    The Thylacine Project
    The Australian Museum
    6 College Street
    SYDNEY NSW 2010 AUSTRALIA

    Please also consider talking to educators about the value of this program for promoting interest in science. A second grader who learns about the Thylacine now may be able to visit a living Thylacine before she graduates High School. Help spread the word.

    http://www.austmus.gov.au/thylacine/

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Very interesting. I'm sure they will do it.

    On another track, i wonder what the wt would say if they started resurrecting people like this. Let's say, that tech was developed so that scientists would be able to download the persons personality and memories before he/she died. After the same person was 'resurrected' in this way, scientists could load that info into its brain. Technically this seems plausable. This is the method wt thinks jehovah is using.

    SS

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    Cool info Nathan, I had often thought about that and wondered why no one looked into it...I plan on looking into it some more.

    SS--If such technology exisited I am pretty sure the dub's would say it's "wordly" Meanwhile while everyone was re-creating themselves the dubs would still be "waiting on Jehovah"

    Edited by - joannadandy on 16 July 2002 11:46:55

  • SYN
    SYN

    This is going to be a tough thing for these scientists to do. While they may be able to clone the Taz Tigers, there will be a very limited gene pool for the new animals (which means one disease could wipe them all out!), and parts of that gene pool will be irrevocably damaged by time and the cloning process. Good luck to them indeed, and I hope they can bring this species back from the grave, just like the aliens that arrive on Earth a thousand years from now will have to do with our irradiated remains as a civilisation.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    In an earlier post I introduced the idea of what I called the "synthetic resurrection" by describing the Thylacine Project. I have just discovered this information, which shows that the mind of man continues to work toward accomplishing what his imaginary friends cannot: the "synthetic resurrection" continues!

    Quagga Project

    This project is an attempt by a group of dedicated people in South Africa to bring back an animal from extinction and reintroduce it into reserves in its former habitat.

    DNA analysis has shown that the Quagga was not a separate species of zebra but in fact a subspecies of the plains zebra (Burchell's Zebra) The Quagga, formerly inhabited the Karoo and southern Free State of South Africa. Like other grazing mammals, quaggas had been ruthlessly hunted. They were seen by the settlers as competitors for the grazing of their livestock, mainly sheep and goats.

    By breeding with selected southern plains zebras an attempt is being made to retrieve at least the genes responsible for the Quaggas colouration.

    The project, if successful, will rectify a tragic mistake made over a hundred years ago through greed and short sightedness. Once again herds of 'Quaggas' will roam the plains of the Karoo.



    The only quagga to ever have been photographed alive
    was the London Zoo mare. Five photographs are known,
    taken by Frederick York and Frank Haes circa 1870

    When the quagga mare at Amsterdam Zoo died on 12 August 1883, it was not realised that she was the very last of her kind. Because of the confusion caused by the indiscriminate use of the term "Quagga" for any zebra, the true quagga was hunted to extinction without this being realised until many years later.

    For more information, see: http://www.museums.org.za/sam/quagga/quagga.htm

    Edited by - Nathan Natas on 16 October 2002 9:11:33

  • rocky220
    rocky220

    I dont know about this......my worst fear is that if scientists continue to play God, they will end up eaten by their "specimens"......me thinks [remember the movie "Jurassic Park"?]

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Rocky said, "... if scientists continue to play God..."

    Pardon me, but may I offer an alternate point of view?

    Scientists are not "playing God."

    They ARE "playing" scientist, using their rational minds and the discipline of the scientific method to understand the world around them. I would suggest that if there was a god, he gave man a brain so that he could use it as something more than a radiator to cool the blood or a hatrack. Man has been manipulating nature for tens of thousands of years, since he first began to preferentially plant some crops and not others and breed some animals and not others. Have you ever though to suggest that Frank Perdue or John Tyson were "playing god" when they bred the chicken you ate for diner last night?

    Rocky continued, ... they will end up eaten by their "specimens"......me thinks"

    Are you REALLY

    afraid of being eaten by a ZEBRA? Do you smell like oatmeal? Or apples? or carrots?

    Rocky concluded, "...remember the movie "Jurassic Park"?"

    Yes. It was a MOVIE!

    Edited by - Nathan Natas on 16 October 2002 10:7:38

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9801/20/cama.ap/
    Scientists produce first cross between camel and llama


    Dr. Lulu Skidmore with Rama, who was born last week at the Camel Reproduction Center in Dubai.

    January 20, 1998

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- It's been a bumpy ride, but Rama the Cama -- the offspring of a camel and its Andean cousin, the llama -- has brought together what 30 million years of evolution and continental drift rent asunder.

    Scientists in the Emirates said Tuesday that it took two years to perfect the artificial insemination technique necessary to breed Rama's llama mom, a petite 165 pounds, with his overwhelming dad, who weighs in at 990 pounds.

    The male animal was born last Wednesday, said Dr. Lulu Skidmore, a specialist in camel reproduction. It weighed 12 pounds at birth.

    "We hope it will have the best qualities of both animals," said Skidmore, technical director of the Camel Reproduction Center in Dubai. "In size, it's somewhere between a camel and a llama."

    The newborn has the short ears and long tail of a camel, but the cloven hooves of a llama, distinct from the single footpad of the camel. He was born, too, without his father's hump.


    According to Skidmore, Rama should be more mild-mannered than his camel ancestors.

    For now, he is being bottle-fed on camel's milk. "If we can combine the best qualities of both animals, we can have a super animal," said Skidmore, a British citizen.

    She said the cama should have the prized fleece of the llama, native to the South American Andes, but because of its larger size it should give more wool.

    "In temperament it should also be calmer than a camel, and therefore better suited as a track animal," Skidmore said.

    The camel and the llama descend from a species that lived about 30 million years ago.

    That was in 1997...

    The adult Rama The Cama

    Rama the Cama has grown into a healthy and friendly animal used to close human contact: "He's absolutely fine and bouncing around the place," Skidmore said.

    And so he's not lonely, Rama has recently been joined by a female cama called Kamilah.

    Wednesday 27th February 2002 saw the birth of the worlds second only cama, a hybrid between a male dromedary camel and a female llama, at the Camel Reproduction Centre, in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Rama the Cama, the first viable hybrid that was born, on January 14th 1998 was a male, whereas Kamilah is the first female. The birth of Rama in 1998 was considered a 30 million old miracle being the worlds first viable hybrid between a camel and a guanaco, the wild antecedent of the domesticated llama. The fact that it was a viable hybrid between a New World and an Old World camelid after 30 - 40 million years of genetic isolation was truly amazing.

    Like Rama, the first Cama, Kamilahs conception was also made possible by the use of modern reproductive techniques like ultrasound and artificial insemination. Follicle development in the ovaries of her mother was monitored by ultrasound and, when a mature follicle was detected, she was inseminated with fresh camel semen. Since all camelids are induced ovulators that require the stimulus of natural mating to release the egg from the follicle, she was injected with a hormone, called gonadotrophin releasing hormone, to induce ovulation when she was inseminated. Camel semen obtained from a male dromedary camel was extended in a nutrient buffer to help keep the sperm viable and active, before it was inseminated into the llamas uterus.

    The pregnancy was monitored by ultrasound at regular intervals and gestation was uneventful. Kamilah was born after 343 days, which is within the typical range for the llama (335-360 days), but is much shorter than the gestation period in the camel (385-395 days). She weighed only 5 kg at birth. This is less than a newborn llama at around 10kg and very much less than a newborn camel at 30kg. It is a striking illustration of how the size of the mother controls the size of the newborn, irrespective of the size of the father.

    Camas are unique hybrid animals who shed newlight on man's understanding of mammalian evolution. The Camel family originated in North America, in the Rocky mountains. Around 30 - 40 million years ago some Camelids migrated North to Alaska, and then crossed the Bering Straits into Siberia, and than down into Mongolia. This was to become the home of the largest camelid, the two-humped Bactrian camel, whilst the smaller one-humped dromedary migrated south-west to populate the Saudi -Arabian peninsula, Iran, Pakistan and part of northern India. It is thought that camels might first have reached North Africa by human intervention, as they were not recorded in Egypt at the time of the Pharoahs.

    The smaller Camelids migrated south into South American Andes, and it is believed that 5 - 10 thousand years ago the Incas domesticated the guanaco to give the llama, and the vicuna to give the alpaca. All four species can readily be made to hybridize with one another, and all the Camelids, New World and Old World, have the same diploid chromosome number of 2n =74.

    Researchers term the birth of this female Cama, as exciting because they have been able to obtain a viable female hybrid between a New World and Old World camelid, in addition to the existing male hybrid. It seems it is easier for the female llama to conceive to camel semen than for the female camel to conceive to llama semen. For this reason doctors have inseminated some female llamas with camel semen and have then flushed the resulting embryos out of their uterus 8 days after fertilization. The hybrid embryos have then been transferred into surrogate camel mothers, one of which remains pregnant at the present time.

    Like Rama , Kamilah is expected to attain a mature body size somewhere between those of her 85kg llama mother and her 500kg camel father. Hopefully she will maintain the good quality fleece of the llamas that can be clipped and used in the wool trade as well as have the strength of the camels to make her a useful pack animal. Researchers will also watch and see if her behaviour is more llama-like and her vocalizations more camel-like, as indeed are Ramas. Like a mule or hinny, the hybrid between a horse and donkey, she is likely to be sterile because of the inability to pair homologous chromosomes from the two parental species during meiosis. But whatever happens, she is another 30 million year old miracle baby.

    This project is directed by Dr. Lulu Skidmore, with the technical assistance of Mr Tipu Billah.

    Edited by - Nathan Natas on 16 October 2002 10:40:51

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