Americans take a poll/Pledge of Allegiance

Wendy

Hey all

I have been pretty busy this past week, and have not kept up with all the topics here. I wanted to see what Americans or others feel about the new ruling on the Pledge of Allegiance being illegal in schools. If there is an ongoing discussion, please give me the URLs I really would love to see other thoughts on this.

Personally, I am glad for all next generation of dub kids. They will not even have to face what many of us did when we refused to recite the pledge. I am also glad that finally people are waking up in this country and actually taking the seperation of church and state where it should be. Now if we can get our President to stop saying, "God Bless" at the end of every speech, then we are really getting somewhere. haha

wendy

Edited by - Wendy on 30 June 2002 11:39:7

Edited by - Wendy on 30 June 2002 11:39:39

gsx1138

Sorry Wendy but you missed it. Most everyone is sick of the subject now and the last few threads discussing the pledge turned into mini flame wars. We'll all have to agree to disagree.

gsx1138

Elsewhere

Godless America!!! [;p]

(Amazing what difference one letter makes)

Wendy

Haha Okay, my bad.

Jeez that is what happens when you get out from behind the computer and get in the real world huh? Miss all the good stuff going on here.

wendy

Kingpawn

Wendy,

That ruling would apply only to states covered by the Ninth Circuit Court, not the whole country. But I imagine it'll get to the US Supreme Court within a year.

DakotaRed

Right after 9-11 I made a CD of patriotic music and handed them out to my friends. On that CD was the recorded version of the following message I received today. Although I still believe this whole thing to be a real non-issue and both sides are trumping up much about nothing, I would like to share with you all those words spoken by the comedian, Red Skelton, back in 1969. This is the way he learned the Pledge as a small boy from a teacher. He was noted as being an extremely patriotic person as well as one of the best comics ever. Please note his final words.

In 1969 Red Skelton made the following recording.
An explanation of the Pledge Of Allegiance.

I: Me; an individual; a committee of one.
Pledge : Dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.
Allegiance : My love and my devotion.
To the Flag : Our standard; Old Glory ; a symbol of Freedom; wherever she waves there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts, Freedom is everybody's job.
United : That means that we have all come together.
States: Individual communities that have united into forty-eight great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose. All divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that is love for country.
And to the Republic : Republic--a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people; and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.
For which it stands , One Nation : One Nation--meaning, so blessed by God.
Indivisible : Incapable of being divided.
With Liberty : Which is Freedom; the right of power to live one's own life, without threats, fear, or some sort of retaliation.
And Justice : The principle, or qualities, of dealing fairly with others.
For All : For All--which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.

And now, boys and girls,
let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands;
one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country,
and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance:
Under God. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer,
and that would be eliminated from schools, too?

Red Skelton

Amazing

Hi Wendy: If you go to the Search line and type in "Pledge" you will get them all. Here is my little contribution to the issue:

When we say the Pledge, we are pledging to a Flag, a piece of cloth with sybolic design. We are not pledging to the Nation or the Constitution. The whole pledge concept is nonsense anyway, even though I am conservative. I say that we need to make it totally politically and culturally neutral:

NEW POLITICALLY CORRECT PLEDGE:

"I pledge allegiance to something, whatever it is that I believe or do not believe in, of the United States of America or whatever we might call ourselves from time to time, and to the Republic or Democracy, or Communist or Socialistic or whatever kind of State we might have from time to time, for which it might stand, whatever that is; One Nation, or whatever type of corporate or social entity we may choose to have from time to time in accordance with whatever collective consensus we may or may not have in place, under something, be it a god or no god, whomever she/he/it might be or not be, but some kind of force or higher power, however we individually interpret that high power; indivisible or divisible however we choose to define unity or division, with liberty, or some variation thereof, in accordance with our mutual consent; and justice, however that my be defined to mean to each person or by majority vote, for all, whatever "all" might mean, i.e. "all people" in this legal entity, or "all people who pass through as visitors," and/or "animals" and "plants" however we determine sentient species."

DazedAndConfused

What I think should happen is that the Pledge goes back to what it was before 1954 (I think). Before "In God we trust" was put in. I personally think that showing allegience (sp) to our country is a good thing.For me, to show allegience to the flag is the same thing as showing support for our country, which by the way, is not just the Government. I think that if more people showed a "pride" of where they lived and supported...maybe there would be a "neighbor" feel that promotes love among our neighbors.

Americans take a poll/Pledge of Allegiance

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