I hate collectors

by RR 7 Replies latest jw experiences

  • RR
    RR

    Okay, as some of you know ... there are collectors out there. Some people collect stamps, others comics and even salt and pepper shakers, go figure. Although I have some 6,000 books in my home, I don't consider myself a collector, I just love to read and I do a lot of research, I mean who else gives you all those little known facts about the early days?

    Anyways, about 15 years ago, I had about five or six original photos taken between 1890s and 1916, these were those big oblong photos taken in the early days. Well, I leant them to a Watchtower collector, so he could reproduce them, he was also a JW and I thought he was my friend. Well 15 years later and nothing. I've pretty much signed those valuable photos away as a bad experience that will never be repeated again. I understand he's done this to a few others.

    Well, in doing my research for an upcoming history book , I've had to obtain alot of "stuff", doesn't matter to me whether it's orioginals, reproductions or just plain copies, I just need the information. Most of the time I send this stuff to the BIble Students republishing committee, and it's scanned and added to the Bible Students library archives which then makes it into a cd rom.

    A lot of the stuff I've obtained through the years have them their way onto ebay, as I don't need a house full of books and papers. Well the other day, I'm going through my files, and what do I find? A little known booklet published by Maria Russell against her husband. A small booklet few people have only read about or seen in footnotes. No extant copies were known, actually, you'd be surprised what you find in Bible Student libraries and homes. An old book used as a coaster for a coke can, they could care less, but a collector would cringe at the sight.

    Turns out this little booklet by Maria Russell was in the hands of this Watchtower collector, who didn't want anyone knowing he had it, because he would be hounded for copies and such and he wanted it to be kept a secret so the value would rise and he could offer it eventually for a hefty price or just make copies for a heft price.

    So what happens? Little bells go off in my head ... I took my copy and reproduced it, the way it actually looked from the original. I made a few dozen copies and sent some to BIble Student archivist and historians within the movement, even sent one to the Society for their records [don't ask]. The rest? I put on ebay as a dutch auction, so far only three bids, but others have privately e-mailed me for tis valuable booklet, that contains correspondence between Charles and Maria Russell concerning their marriage and the affairs of the Watch Tower Society.

    Well, this collector, is now huffing and puffing, and writes me a lengthy little letter, as if acting on sole concerned for teh contents and what damage it could do to Russell's image. How could I do such a thing?

    My reply was simple, "because I can." Secondly, Russell's image is only tarnished by those who hate him and all he stands for. Thirdly, the only damage done is to deplete the value of his original copy, which was my intent.

    he threatened to tell all the Bible Students about what I did, as if they don't know, I sent them copies, and picked at random some names of Bible Students he most likely got out of a Bible Student journal.

    Of course he would have to chnage his story, becaue in his e-mail to me, he called Russell "a liar", "evil one" and "arrogant, haughty, devious, uncharitable, and unkind." Now you tell me, whay would someone who hates Russell that much, damn me for making a little booklet available?

    Truth is, this guy has actually supported his brood [wife and dozen or so kids] by selling Watchtower books to would be collectors.

    And if he's reading this? .... oh well!

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Hey, RR, good for you!

    The free market is the best remedy for excessive GREED, which seems to be where this other fellow is coming from.

    If you wanted to, you could probably make more from selling scanned copies of this booklet at an affordable price than "the collector" could get with his one inflated sale.

    There is a righteousness in that...

  • RR
    RR

    I had to laugh at his idle threats, he wrote to me and said:

    I can only wonder what other prominent men in the Bible Student movement
    will say when they find out that you are selling Mrs. Russell's booklet on "...."?

    Copies of this letter, ALONG WITH A COPY OF THE BOOKLET, your feeble response if any will be sent ...

    He went on to list names of some Bible Students, names he could have gotten from anywhere, Bible Student websites, journals, newsletter, etc. I told him, he confuses Bible Students with Jehovah''s Witneses, and they could care less what I do. We don't have a central organization or a governing body telling us what to do, there is no threat of disfellowshipping or shunning.

    I called his bluff, and even if he went so far as to do what he ays, nothing will happen, it will make him look bad.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    I hate people that tell you all about this really rare book they have, and how much other people want it, but don't even tell you what's in this book

    Please share with us the details of this booklet, RR.

  • NeonMadman
    NeonMadman

    RR, can you provide a link to the auction for the copies of the booklet?

    Also, I'm curious as to the status of that history of the Bible Students' movement that you were working on a long time ago. Is it still pending? Any tentative release date?

  • RR
    RR

    Here is he original auction that has since ended, copies are still available, the booklet has been reprinted to look like a booklet, it's not just a photocopy on xerox paper.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1545958558

    After I posted this booklet for sale. Miek Castro, the collector who was peeved at me for doing so, decided to sell just plain photocopies of his booklet for a $1,000.00

    Hmmm ... should I get a copy for $25.00 or $1,000.00? Which? Hmmmm

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1546234572

    Mike's ebay fees alone were more that what I offered the booklet for.

    Edited by - RR on 6 July 2002 22:32:12

    Edited by - RR on 6 July 2002 22:33:38

  • mike047
    mike047

    RR, He didn't get anything and had to pay for the listing because he closed the auction.

    Why did he close early????

    MIKE

  • RR
    RR

    I don't know Mike, you'd have to ask him.

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