HECTOR3000!

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  • SYN
    SYN

    This guy makes me laugh. I'm quoting directly from his site...my comments are in red...

    17. Why did J. Rutherford declare that heaven was closed for J.W.s and everyone else after 1935? How did he arrive at this date? Where in the Bible does it state 1935?

    Reply: I do not follow Rutherford, and neither do any other J.W.'s. Why have trinitarian Christians led some of the bloodiest and cruelest crimes against human history? How far do you want to play this game?

    Hehe! He doesn't follow Rutherford! WTF! This guy MUST be an Apostate! I wonder what the GB will do to him when they run across this little statement of his...could someone please provide a few examples of teachings instituted by Rutherford that are still strictly adhered to by Dubs today? I know there must be lots...

    20. If Jesus returned in 1914, why did the Watchtower teach that he returned in 1874, and maintained this 1874 teaching up until 1940?

    Reply: Again, why have Protestants, Catholics, Pentescostals etc also done the same thing at other dates.

    Here is a page where Hector3000 totally dodges the issue: http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com/1975.htm

    22. Considering that the Watchtower not too long ago banned vaccinations and organ transplants and as a result, many Witnesses died needlessly, would you really let your baby die from lack of a blood transfusion? Especially since they allow Witnesses in some countries to now get blood tranfusions, but not in most countries.

    Reply: Vaccinations at one time included animal blood, so in keeping with the biblical restrictions on blood (Acts 15:28, 29), we avoided them. Now, name me just one JW who died of refusing a vaccination, and if you do, then contrast those who actually died taking tainted vaccinations.

    Don't you find it interesting how he dodges the issue again? This guy sure has a way with words. The question here is about Witnesses dying needlessly when they could have had transfusions that were later approved! Not vaccination at all! Hello!

    26. Since the Organization has received new light regarding the 1914 generation, and completely changed their view on this, does this mean that all former Jehovah's Witnesses who were disfellowshipped years ago for the same view the organization is now teaching will automatically be accepted into fellowship again? Were these ex-JWs in fact disfellowshipped for truth and knew things that the governing body did not?
    Reply: This is a fantasy of JW-Haters. Disfellowshipping occurs not because of differences of opinion, but of rebellion and a lack of humility. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. 1 Cor 5:13 NASB (emphasis theirs)

    So, by saying this, old Hector is stating that dissenters are "wicked". Lovely. It's amazing how someone who questions the teachings of their superiors within a religious "organization" can be labelled as "wicked".

    32. If the name "Jehovah" is so important, then why is it never used in the entire Greek New Testament? If men edited out the name of God "YHWH" when they copied the New Testament, as only the Watchtower organization claims, then how can we have any confidence in any of the New Testament? Should we discard the New Testament or the Watchtower as unreliable?

    Reply: Again, see above. There are many more besides Jehovah's Witnesses that make this claim. For more click here and here. Since the God of nominal Christianity is the Trinity, and it is not mentioned at all in the entire Bible, then I think it is fair to say that we should should not believe in a fantasy, but strive for the truth.

    I bet this guy hasn't read much of the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. Now THAT is a fantasy!

    Now, Hector, I have some questions of my own that I kindly request you answer! It's OK if you don't visit this site anymore (I'd understand, after all, you probably find it disturbing and stuff, it seems that reality is a bit of a tough bone for your mind to chew), but if you're reading, a response, a public one, would be appreciated. Dodging these questions will make you look very bad in front of, oh, thousands of people!

    1. Why does an elderly, "spiritually mature" Sister have to wear a cloth over her head in the presence of a new-born male baby if there is no-one else to take the lead in a gathering of Witnesses? What is so special about that little boy?

    2. What is the meaning of "family ties" as written by the JW Media site in regard to shunning, where they say that "family ties are not severed"?

    3. Why is "God" not to be seen anywhere today, whereas he was apparently very active on the scene of the world a mere few thousand years ago? Is he on holiday or something?

    4. Why are simpler fossils deeper in the ground than complex fossils?

    5. Why is one never allowed to ask questions during the Watchtower Study (or during any other study, for that matter)? Why can one only repeat what is said in the literature? Why is there no control by the average publisher over what goes on in their religion's "upper theological circles"?

    6. Why is your God so cruel? The whole Old Testament is "witness" to this cruelty! (I suppose his answer is going to be that this "God of love" can do whatever he wants with his creations!)

    7. Why does God have to fight with Satan to prove his sovereignity? Surely if he was omnipotent Satan wouldn't pose a problem?

    8. Why don't you follow Rutherford? You are an Apostate if you don't, you know!

    That's enough for now. So, let's set up a betting pool to see if this guy will reply properly or not. The smart money is on the latter!

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    Bleep

    This should keep you busy, I hope the answere is in here.

    A Time of Testing (1914-1918)

    "Let us remember that we are in a testing season. . . . If there is any reason that would lead any to let go of the Lord and His Truth and to cease sacrificing for the Lord's Cause, then it is not merely the love of God in the heart which has prompted interest in the Lord, but something else; probably a hoping that the time was short; the consecration was only for a certain time. If so, now is a good time to let go."

    THOSE words, appearing in The Watch Tower of November 1, 1914, could not have been more appropriate. The years from 1914 to 1918 did, indeed, prove to be "a testing season" for the Bible Students. Some of the tests came from within; others came from outside. All of them, though, tested the Bible Students in ways that revealed whether they really had 'the love of God in their hearts.' Would they hold on to "the Lord and His Truth" or let go?

    Great Expectations

    On June 28, 1914, Archduke Francis Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary was struck down by an assassin's bullet. That assassination triggered the outbreak of the Great War, as World War I was originally called. The fighting began in August 1914 when Germany swept into Belgium and France. By the autumn of that year, the bloodbath was well under way.

    "The Gentile Times have ended; their kings have had their day"! So exclaimed Brother Russell as he entered the dining room at the Brooklyn headquarters of the Watch Tower Society the morning of Friday, October 2, 1914. Excitement was high. Most of those present had for years been looking forward to 1914. But what would the end of the Gentile Times bring?

    World War I was raging, and at that time it was believed that the war was leading into a time of global anarchy that would result in the end of the existing system of things. There were also other expectations concerning 1914. Alexander H. Macmillan, who had been baptized in September 1900, later recalled: "A few of us seriously thought we were going to heaven during the first week of that October." In fact, recalling the morning that Russell announced the end of the Gentile Times, Macmillan admitted: "We were highly excited and I would not have been surprised if at that moment we had just started up, that becoming the signal to begin ascending heavenward-but of course there was nothing like that."

    Disappointed expectations as to the return of the Lord Jesus had in the 19th century caused many followers of William Miller and various Adventist groups to lose faith. But what about the Bible Students associated with Russell? Had some been attracted by the thought of their own early salvation rather than love for God and a strong desire to do his will?

    'Brother Russell, Were You Not Disappointed?'

    Brother Russell had been encouraging the Bible Students to keep on the watch and to be determined to continue in the Lord's work even if matters did not culminate as soon as they might have expected.

    October 1914 passed, and C. T. Russell and his associates were still on earth. Then October 1915 passed. Was Russell disappointed? In The Watch Tower of February 1, 1916, he wrote: "'But, Brother Russell, what is your thought as to the time of our change? Were you not disappointed that it did not come when we hoped that it would?' you will ask. No, we reply, we were not disappointed. . . . Brethren, those of us who are in the right attitude toward God are not disappointed at any of His arrangements. We did not wish our own will to be done; so when we found out that we were expecting the wrong thing in October, 1914, then we were glad that the Lord did not change His Plan to suit us. We did not wish Him to do so. We merely wish to be able to apprehend His plans and purposes."

    No, the Bible Students were not 'taken home' to heaven in October 1914. Nevertheless, the Gentile Times did end in that year. Clearly, the Bible Students had more to learn as to the significance of 1914. Meanwhile, what were they to do? Work! As The Watch Tower of September 1, 1916, put it: "We imagined that the Harvest work of gathering the Church [of anointed ones] would be accomplished before the end of the Gentile Times; but nothing in the Bible so said. . . . Are we regretful that the Harvest work continues? Nay, verily . . . Our present attitude, dear brethren, should be one of great gratitude toward God, increasing appreciation of the beautiful Truth which He has granted us the privilege of seeing and being identified with, and increasing zeal in helping to bring that Truth to the knowledge of others."

    But was there much more to be done in the harvest work? Brother Russell evidently thought so. Indicating this was a conversation he had with Brother Macmillan in the fall of 1916. Calling Macmillan to his study at Brooklyn Bethel, Russell told him: "The work is increasing rapidly, and it will continue to increase, for there is a world-wide work to be done in preaching the 'gospel of the kingdom' in all the world." Russell spent three and a half hours outlining to Macmillan what he saw from the Bible to be the great work yet ahead.

    The Bible Students had come through a difficult test. But with the help of The Watch Tower, they were strengthened to triumph over disappointment. The testing season, however, was far from over.

    "What Is Going to Happen Now?"

    On October 16, 1916, Brother Russell and his secretary Menta Sturgeon departed on a previously arranged lecture tour of western and southwestern parts of the United States. Russell, though, was seriously ill at the time. The tour took them first to Detroit, Michigan, by way of Canada. Then, after stops in Illinois, Kansas, and Texas, the two men arrived in California, where Russell delivered his last talk on Sunday, October 29, in Los Angeles. Two days later, in the early afternoon of Tuesday, October 31, 64-year-old Charles Taze Russell died on a train at Pampa, Texas. Notice of his death appeared in The Watch Tower of November 15, 1916.

    What was the effect on the Bethel family when news of Brother Russell's death was announced? A. H. Macmillan, who served as Russell's assistant in the office while Russell was away, later recalled the morning he read the telegram to the Bethel family: "A moan went up all over that dining room. Some wept audibly. None ate breakfast that morning. All were greatly upset. At the end of the meal period they met in little groups to talk and whisper, 'What is going to happen now?' Little work was done that day. We did not know what to do. It was so unexpected, and yet Russell had tried to prepare us for it. What would we do? The first shock of our loss of C. T. Russell was the worst. For those first few days our future was a blank wall. Throughout his life Russell had been 'the Society.' The work centered around his dynamic determination to see God's will done."

    After funeral services at The Temple in New York and at Carnegie Hall in Pittsburgh, Brother Russell was buried at Allegheny, in the Bethel family plot, according to his request. A brief biography of Russell along with his will and testament was published in The Watch Tower of December 1, 1916, as well as in subsequent editions of the first volume of Studies in the Scriptures.

    What would happen now? It was difficult for the Bible Students to imagine someone else in Brother Russell's place. Would their understanding of the Scriptures continue to be progressive, or would it stop where it was? Would they become a sect centered around him? Russell himself had made it quite clear that he expected the work to go on. So following his death, some obvious questions soon arose: Who will supervise the contents of The Watch Tower and other publications? Who should succeed Russell as president?

    A Change in Administration

    In his will Brother Russell outlined an arrangement for an Editorial Committee of five to determine the contents of The Watch Tower. In addition, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society made arrangements for an Executive Committee of three-A. I. Ritchie, W. E. Van Amburgh, and J. F. Rutherford-to have general supervision of all the work of the Society, subject to the control of the board of directors. Who, though, would become the new president? That decision would be made at the next annual meeting of the Society, about two months later, on January 6, 1917.

    At first, the Executive Committee did its best to hold things together, encouraging the Bible Students to keep active and not lose courage. The Watch Tower continued to be published, containing articles that Russell had written before his death. But as the annual meeting approached, tension began to mount. Some were even doing a little electioneering to get a man of their choice selected to be president. Others, on account of their deep respect for Brother Russell, seemed more concerned with trying to copy his qualities and develop a sort of cult around him. Most of the Bible Students, however, were primarily interested in getting on with the work into which Russell had poured himself.

    As the time for the election approached, the question remained, Who would succeed Russell as president? The Watch Tower of January 15, 1917, reported the outcome of the annual meeting, explaining: "Brother Pierson, with very appropriate remarks and expressions of appreciation and love for Brother Russell, stated that he had received word as proxy-holder from friends all over the land to the effect that he cast their votes for Brother J. F. Rutherford for President, and he further stated that he was in full sympathy with this." After Rutherford's name was placed in nomination and seconded, there were no further nominations, so "the Secretary cast the ballot as directed, and Brother Rutherford was declared the unanimous choice of the Convention as President."

    With the election decided, how was the new president received? The Watch Tower mentioned above reported: "The friends everywhere had prayed earnestly for the Lord's guidance and direction in the matter of the election; and when it was concluded, everyone was content and happy, believing that the Lord had directed their deliberations and answered their prayers. Perfect harmony prevailed amongst all present."

    That "perfect harmony," however, did not last very long. The new president was warmly received by many but not by all.

    The New President Moves Ahead

    Brother Rutherford was inclined, not to change the direction of the organization, but to continue in the forward-moving pattern established by Russell. Traveling representatives of the Society (known as pilgrims) were increased from 69 to 93. Distribution of the Society's free tracts was accelerated on occasional Sundays in front of the churches and regularly in the house-to-house ministry.

    The "pastoral work," which had been started prior to Russell's death, was now stepped up. This was a follow-up work, similar to the return-visit activity now carried on by Jehovah's Witnesses. To further revitalize the preaching work, the Society's new president expanded the colporteur work. Colporteurs (forerunners of today's pioneers) were increased from 372 to 461.

    "The year 1917 opened with rather a discouraging outlook," stated The Watch Tower of December 15, 1917. Yes, following the death of C. T. Russell, there were some misgivings, some doubts, and some fears. Yet, the year-end report was encouraging; field activity had increased. Clearly, the work was moving ahead. Had the Bible Students passed another test-the death of C. T. Russell-successfully?

    Efforts to Gain Control

    Not everyone was supportive of the new president. C. T. Russell and J. F. Rutherford were very different men. They had different personalities and came from different backgrounds. These differences were hard for some to accept. In their minds, no one could 'fill Brother Russell's shoes.'

    A few, especially at headquarters, actually resented Brother Rutherford. The fact that the work was moving ahead and that he was making every effort to follow the arrangements that had been put in place by Russell did not seem to impress them. Opposition soon mounted. Four members of the board of directors of the Society went so far as to endeavor to wrest administrative control from Rutherford's hands. The situation came to a head in the summer of 1917, with the release of The Finished Mystery, the seventh volume of Studies in the Scriptures.

    Brother Russell had been unable to produce this volume during his lifetime, though he had hoped to do so. Following his death, the Executive Committee of the Society arranged for two associates, Clayton J. Woodworth and George H. Fisher, to prepare this book, which was a commentary on Revelation, The Song of Solomon, and Ezekiel. In part, it was based on what Russell had written about these Bible books, and other comments and explanations were added. The completed manuscript was approved for publication by officers of the Society and was released to the Bethel family at the dining table on Tuesday, July 17, 1917. On that same occasion, a startling announcement was made-the four opposing directors had been removed, and Brother Rutherford had appointed four others to fill the vacancies. What was the reaction?

    It was as if a bombshell had exploded! The four ousted directors seized upon the occasion and stirred up a five-hour controversy before the Bethel family over the administration of the Society's affairs. A number of the Bethel family sympathized with the opposers. The opposition continued for several weeks, with the disturbers threatening to "overthrow the existing tyranny," as they put it. But Brother Rutherford had a sound basis for the action he had taken. How so?

    It turned out that although the four opposing directors had been appointed by Brother Russell, these appointments had never been confirmed by vote of the corporation members at the annual meeting of the Society. Therefore, the four of them were not legal members of the board of directors at all! Rutherford had been aware of this but had not mentioned it at first. Why not? He had wanted to avoid giving the impression that he was going against Brother Russell's wishes. However, when it became evident that they would not discontinue their opposition, Rutherford acted within his authority and responsibility as president to replace them with four others whose appointments were to be confirmed at the next annual meeting, to be held in January 1918.

    On August 8, the disgruntled ex-directors and their supporters left the Bethel family; they had been asked to leave because of the disturbance they had been creating. They soon began spreading their opposition by an extensive speaking and letter-writing campaign throughout the United States, Canada, and Europe. As a result, after the summer of 1917, a number of congregations of Bible Students were split into two groups-those loyal to the Society and those who were easy prey to the smooth talk of the opposers.

    But might the ousted directors, in an effort to gain control of the organization, try to influence those attending the annual meeting? Anticipating such a reaction, Rutherford felt it advisable to take a survey of all the congregations. The results? According to the report published in The Watch Tower of December 15, 1917, those voting indicated their overwhelming support of J. F. Rutherford and the directors cooperating with him! This was confirmed at the annual meeting. The opposers' efforts to gain control had failed!

    What became of those opposers and their supporters? After the January 1918 annual meeting, the opposing ones splintered off, even choosing to celebrate the Memorial, on March 26, 1918, on their own. Any unity they enjoyed was short-lived, and before long they broke up into various sects. In most cases their numbers dwindled and their activity diminished or ceased entirely.

    Clearly, following Brother Russell's death, the Bible Students faced a real test of loyalty. As Tarissa P. Gott, who was baptized in 1915, put it: "Many of those who had seemed so strong, so devoted to the Lord, began to turn away. . . . All of this just did not seem right, yet it was happening and it upset us. But I said to myself: 'Was not this organization the one that Jehovah used to free us from the bonds of false religion? Have we not tasted of his goodness? If we were to leave now, where would we go? Would we not wind up following some man?' We could not see why we should go with the apostates, so we stayed."-John 6:66-69; Heb. 6:4-6.

    Some who withdrew from the organization later repented and associated with the Bible Students in worship once again. By far the majority, like Sister Gott, continued to cooperate with the Watch Tower Society and Brother Rutherford. The love and unity that bound them together had been built up through years of association together at meetings and conventions. They would allow nothing to break up that bond of union.-Col. 3:14.

    By 1918 the Bible Students had survived testing from within. What, though, if opposition arose from those on the outside?

    Objects of Attack

    Through the close of 1917 and into 1918, the Bible Students energetically distributed the new book, The Finished Mystery. By the end of 1917, the printers were busy on the 850,000 edition. The Watch Tower of December 15, 1917, reported: "The sale of the Seventh Volume is unparallelled by the sale of any other book known, in the same length of time, excepting the Bible."

    But not everyone was thrilled with the success of The Finished Mystery. The book contained some references to the clergy of Christendom that were very cutting. This so angered the clergy that they urged the government to suppress the publications of the Bible Students. As a result of this clergy-inspired opposition, early in 1918, The Finished Mystery was banned in Canada. Opposition soon mounted against the Bible Students in the United States.

    To expose this clergy-inspired pressure, on March 15, 1918, the Watch Tower Society released the tract Kingdom News No. 1. Its message? The six-column-wide headline read: "Religious Intolerance-Pastor Russell's Followers Persecuted Because They Tell the People the Truth." Below the heading "Treatment of Bible Students Smacks of the 'Dark Ages'" were set forth the facts of the persecution and the ban that had begun in Canada. The instigators? The tract pulled no punches in pointing to the clergy, who were described as "a bigoted class of men who have systematically endeavored to prevent the people from understanding the Bible and to throttle all Bible teaching unless it comes through them." What a hard-hitting message!

    How did the clergy respond to such an expos? They had already stirred up trouble against the Watch Tower Society. But now they got vicious! In the spring of 1918, a wave of violent persecution was launched against the Bible Students in both North America and Europe. The clergy-inspired opposition came to a head on May 7, 1918, when U.S. federal warrants were issued for the arrest of J. F. Rutherford and several of his close associates. By mid-1918, Rutherford and seven associates found themselves in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia.

    But with Judge Rutherford and his associates in prison, what happened to the operation of headquarters?

    Keeping the Home Fires Burning

    Back in Brooklyn an Executive Committee was appointed to take charge of the work. A chief concern of the brothers appointed was to keep The Watch Tower in circulation. The Bible Students everywhere certainly needed all the spiritual encouragement that could be given them. In fact, during this entire "testing season," not one issue of The Watch Tower failed to appear in print!

    What was the spirit at headquarters? Thomas (Bud) Sullivan, who later served as a member of the Governing Body, recalled: "It was my privilege to visit Brooklyn Bethel in the late summer of 1918 during the brothers' incarceration. The brothers in charge of the work at Bethel were in no wise fearful or downhearted. In fact, the reverse was true. They were optimistic and confident that Jehovah would give his people the victory ultimately. I was privileged to be at the breakfast table on Monday morning when the brothers sent out on weekend appointments gave their reports. A fine picture of the situation was obtained. In every case the brothers were confident, waiting for Jehovah to direct their activities further."

    Many problems, however, were encountered. World War I was still raging. There were shortages of paper supplies and coal, which were vitally needed for the work at headquarters. With patriotism at fever pitch, there was considerable animosity against the Society; the Bible Students were viewed as traitors. Under these extreme circumstances, it appeared impossible to continue operations at Brooklyn. So, the Executive Committee, after consulting with other brothers, sold the Brooklyn Tabernacle and closed the Bethel Home. On August 26, 1918, the operations were transferred back to Pittsburgh to an office building at Federal and Reliance streets.

    Nevertheless, a good spirit prevailed. Martha Meredith recalled: "We in Pittsburgh got together and decided we were going to keep 'the home fires burning' until the brethren got out of prison. At that time the Brooklyn office was moved to Pittsburgh, so the brethren got busy writing articles for The Watch Tower and had it printed. When The Watch Towers were ready to be sent out, we sisters wrapped them and sent them out to the people."

    The Bible Students had faced some severe trials since the Gentile Times had ended in the fall of 1914. Could they continue to survive? Did they really have 'the love of God in their hearts' or not? Would they firmly hold on to "the Lord and His Truth," as Russell had cautioned, or would they let go?

    [Footnotes]

    Quotations from A. H. Macmillan in this chapter are taken from his book Faith on the March, published in 1957 by Prentice-Hall, Inc.

    The five members of the Editorial Committee as named in Russell's will were William E. Page, William E. Van Amburgh, Henry Clay Rockwell, E. W. Brenneisen, and F. H. Robison. In addition, to fill any vacancies, others were named-A. E. Burgess, Robert Hirsh, Isaac Hoskins, G. H. Fisher, J. F. Rutherford, and John Edgar. Page and Brenneisen, however, promptly resigned-Page because he could not take up residence in Brooklyn, and Brenneisen (later the spelling was changed to Brenisen) because he had to take up secular work to support his family. Rutherford and Hirsh, whose names were listed in the December 1, 1916, Watch Tower, replaced them as members of the Editorial Committee.

    According to the charter of the Watch Tower Society, the board of directors was to be composed of seven members. The charter provided for the surviving members of the board of directors to fill a vacancy. So, two days after Russell's death, the board of directors met and elected A. N. Pierson to be a member. The seven members of the board at that point were A. I. Ritchie, W. E. Van Amburgh, H. C. Rockwell, J. D. Wright, I. F. Hoskins, A. N. Pierson, and J. F. Rutherford. The seven-member board then elected the Executive Committee of three.

    At the annual meeting held on January 5, 1918, the seven persons receiving the highest number of votes were J. F. Rutherford, C. H. Anderson, W. E. Van Amburgh, A. H. Macmillan, W. E. Spill, J. A. Bohnet, and G. H. Fisher. From these seven board members, the three officers were chosen-J. F. Rutherford as president, C. H. Anderson as vice president, and W. E. Van Amburgh as secretary-treasurer.

    Two other hard-hitting tracts followed. Kingdom News No. 2, dated April 15, 1918, contained an even stronger message under the headline "'The Finished Mystery' and Why Suppressed." Then, Kingdom News No. 3, of May 1918, carried the significant headline "Two Great Battles Raging-Fall of Autocracy Certain."

    On earlier occasions, issues of the Watch Tower had been combined, but this was not done during 1914-18.

    [Blurb on page 68]

    Rutherford asked the opposers to leave Bethel

    [Box on page 62]

    "Some of Us Had Been a Bit Too Hasty"

    As October 1914 approached, some of the Bible Students expected that at the end of the Gentile Times they, as spirit-anointed Christians, would receive their heavenly reward. Illustrating this is an incident that took place at a convention of the Bible Students in Saratoga Springs, New York, September 27-30, 1914. A. H. Macmillan, who had been baptized 14 years earlier, gave a discourse on Wednesday, September 30. In it he stated: "This is probably the last public address I shall ever deliver because we shall be going home [to heaven] soon."

    However, two days later (on Friday, October 2), Macmillan came in for some good-natured teasing back in Brooklyn, where the conventioners were to reconvene. From his seat at the head of the table, C. T. Russell announced: "We are going to make some changes in the program for Sunday [October 4]. At 10:30 Sunday morning Brother Macmillan will give us an address." The response? Macmillan later wrote: "Everybody laughed heartily, recalling what I had said on Wednesday at Saratoga Springs-my 'last public address'!"

    "Well," Macmillan continued, "then I had to get busy to find something to say. I found Psalm 74:9, 'We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long.' Now that was different. In that talk I tried to show the friends that perhaps some of us had been a bit too hasty in thinking that we were going to heaven right away, and the thing for us to do would be to keep busy in the Lord's service until he determined when any of his approved servants would be taken home to heaven."

    [Box on page 67]

    J. F. Rutherford's Background

    Joseph Franklin Rutherford was born of Baptist parents on a farm in Morgan County, Missouri, U.S.A., on November 8, 1869. When Joseph was 16, his father consented to his attending college, provided that he pay his own way and that he pay for a hired laborer to take his place on the farm. A determined young man, Joseph secured a loan from a friend and managed to go to college while also studying law.

    After completing his academy education, Rutherford spent two years under the tutelage of Judge E. L. Edwards. By the time he was 20, he became the official court reporter for the courts of the Fourteenth Judicial Circuit in Missouri. On May 5, 1892, his license to practice law in Missouri was granted. Rutherford later served for four years as public prosecutor for Boonville, Missouri. Still later, he served on occasion as a special judge in the Eighth Judicial Circuit Court of Missouri. That is why he came to be known as "Judge" Rutherford.

    Interestingly, to help pay his way through school, Rutherford sold encyclopedias from house to house. It was not an easy job-there were many rebuffs. On one occasion he almost died when he fell into an icy stream while calling on farms. He promised himself that when he became a lawyer, if anyone ever came to his office selling books, he would buy them. True to his word, he accepted three volumes of "Millennial Dawn" from two colporteurs who appeared at his office early in 1894. Several weeks later he read the books and promptly wrote a letter to the Watch Tower Society, in which he said: "My dear wife and myself have read these books with the keenest interest, and we consider it a God-send and a great blessing that we have had the opportunity of coming in contact with them." In 1906, Joseph F. Rutherford was baptized, and a year later he became the Watch Tower Society's legal counsel.

    [Box on page 70]

    Victims of Clergy-Inspired Persecution

    By the middle of 1918, J. F. Rutherford and seven of his associates were in prison-victims of clergy-inspired opposition. But those eight men were not the only targets of such hatred. During earlier years it had been C. T. Russell who was primarily the object of attack by the clergy and the press. Now the Bible Students themselves were victims. "The Golden Age" (now "Awake!") of September 29, 1920, published a graphic, extensive report of vicious persecution they endured in the United States. It read like something out of the Inquisition. Included were the following accounts:

    "April 22, 1918, at Wynnewood, Oklahoma, Claud Watson was first jailed and then deliberately released to a mob composed of preachers, business men and a few others that knocked him down, caused a negro to whip him and, when he had partially recovered, to whip him again. They then poured tar and feathers all over him, rubbing the tar into his hair and scalp."

    "April 29, 1918, at Walnut Ridge, Arkansas, W. B. Duncan, 61 years of age, Edward French, Charles Franke, a Mr. Griffin and Mrs. D. Van Hoesen were jailed. The jail was broken into by a mob that used the most vile and obscene language, whipped, tarred, feathered and drove them from town. Duncan was compelled to walk twenty-six miles [42 km] to his home and barely recovered. Griffin was virtually blinded and died from the assault a few months later."

    "April 30, 1918, . . . at Minerva, Ohio, S. H. Griffin was first jailed and then released to a mob, then lectured fifteen minutes by the minister, then struck repeatedly, cursed, kicked, trodden upon, threatened with hanging and with drowning, driven from town, spit upon, tripped repeatedly, jabbed repeatedly with an umbrella, forbidden to ride, followed five miles to Malvern, Ohio, rearrested, jailed for safety at Carrollton and finally taken home by brave and faithful officials who, after examining his literature, said, in so many words, 'We find no fault in this man.'"

    [Footnotes]

    Pp. 712-17.

    [Box/Picture on page 69]

    'No Men on Earth More Highly Favored'

    On June 21, 1918, J. F. Rutherford and several of his close associates were sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment, having been falsely convicted of conspiracy. Their feelings? In a handwritten note dated June 22-23 (shown below), from the Raymond Street jail in Brooklyn, New York, Brother Rutherford wrote: "There are probably no men on earth today more highly favored and who are happier than the seven brethren now in prison. They are conscious of their entire innocence of intentional wrongdoing, and rejoice to be suffering with Christ for loyally serving Him."

    [Pictures on page 64]

    On October 31, 1916, 64-year-old Charles Taze Russell died on a train at Pampa, Texas; many newspapers reported on the funeral

    [Picture on page 66]

    J. F. Rutherford had a commanding appearance, standing six feet two inches [188 cm] tall and weighing about 225 pounds [102 kg]

    [Picture on page 69]

    The Raymond Street jail, in Brooklyn, New York, where Brother Rutherford and several of his close associates were held for seven days immediately following their sentencing

    [Picture on page 71]

    Thomas (Bud) Sullivan visited headquarters in 1918 and later served on the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    Good question.

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    The problem with this thred is you can not base your decision on one guys responce to many of your questions. It should be based on knowledge and study of the Bible and it many Scriptures that should be examined daily.

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Hillary nicely summed Hector's "defense," which ends up as no defense at all.

    I tried holding discussions with this one calling himself Hector. At best I concluded he dodges issues. In the middle I concluded he is ignorant. At worst I concluded he's stupid. I'm not sure which one applies, but the man offers no credible defense on issues like,

    1. Why the Society does not always encourage victims of child abuse crime to report to secular authorities, and

    2. The Society's semi-prohibition on use of blood.

    Conscience dictates offering help to people in Hector's shoes. But all you can do is lead a horse to water. Whether these types wake up and try thinking objectively on difficult issues is up to them. All we can do is provide information. Hopefully one day he'll be ready to hold objective and adult discussions with those of us that care, and are willing to discuss issues from the biblical perspective. When that day arrives my attention is his.

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    good post and points taken

  • 2SYN
    2SYN

    Thx for the comments guys!

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