What is God's view of judgement?

by Bleep 7 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    Here are most views:

    1)Adam sinned so when we die we automaticly go to heaven if we are good or hell if we are bad.

    2) Our judgement according to this is here on earth so if we live only to be two years old that is how long we have to show that we are good.

    JW views:

    1) We are not being judged until the whole 144,000 appointed judges are brought to heaven. They first have to die here. Until those 144,000 are brought to heaven there can be no judging.

    2) After the thousand year reign of Jesus the devil will have a short period of time to decieve all one last time. He will come from the abyss or holding cell. All who persist on following Satan will be burned in the lake of fire which means the second death. No pain but only darkness.

    Do not fill in the gaps we all know these are the two main views. Cause being 1). Effect being 2).

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    Fills your heart with Love doesn't it. So much for the loving God theory.

  • Reslight
    Reslight

    Because Adam disobeyed, God judged and sentenced him (and the race in his loins) to death -- not eternal torment or eternal separation from God. However, God in his great love caused his Son to be "made flesh," "a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death . . . that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." -- Genesis 2:17; 3:17-19; Romans 5:6-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Matthew 20:28; John 1:14; 3:14-18; Hebrews 2:9.

    The "good tidings of great joy, which will be to all people," centers in Jesus, the "ransom for all, to be testified in due time." This "good tidings" guarantees to "every man" one (no individual second chance for any of Adam's race) full, fair opportunity for everlasting life (either in this life or after being awakened from the dead -- John 5:28,29, New American Standard). God "wills all men to be saved [from Adamic condemnation; but all will not be saved eternally], and to come to the knowledge of the truth." -- Luke 2:10; 1 Timothy 2:3-6; 4:10

    The term day is often used to mean a period much longer than 24 hours, both in common usage (e.g., Luther's day) and in scriptural usage. -- Genesis 2:4; Hebrews 3:8,9; Psalm 95:7-10; 2 Corinthians 6:2.

    The Gospel Age has been the Church's judgment day (2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 1 Peter 4:17), but God "has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness" -- "the day of judgment and perdition [destruction] of ungodly men; but . . . do not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day with Yahweh is as a thousand years." -- Acts 17:31; 2 Peter 3:7,8; Psalm 90:4.

    Satan, "the god of this world," has for centuries blinded the minds of the vast majority. (2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 12:9) Darkness has covered the earth and "gross darkness the people." However, in the world's great judgment day Satan is bound, "that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years are ended." -- Isaiah 60:2, Revelation 20:2,3,7.

    "In that day," the 1,000-year reign of Messiah, when He will judge mankind, "the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea." Then it will be said: "Look, this is our God. We have waited for him, and he will save us . . . . We will be glad and rejoice in his salvation." -- Isaiah 11:9,10; 25:6-9; 40:5; 52:10: Jeremiah 31:34; Habakkuk 2:14.

    The word judge as used in the Scriptures does not mean merely to sentence, but includes -1- instruction (Psalm 19:7-11; 25:8,9: 106:3; 119:108; Isaiah 33:5; 56:1; 59:4,8-15; Ezekiel 22:2; Matthew 12:18-20; 23:23; Colossians 2:16), -2- testing (Psalm 26:1-3, compare 139:23,24; Jeremiah 11:20, compare 20:12; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5), -3- chastisement for correction (Isaiah 26:9; 1 Corinthians 11:31,32 -- compare Luke 12:47,48; Hebrews 12:5-11; Revelation 3:19), and -4- passing a sentence. -- Matthew 7:1,2; John 7:24; Deuteronomy 1:16; Psalm 17:2.

    Jesus "will judge (by these four processes) the living and the dead at (during) his appearing and his kingdom." "He must reign [in his thousand-year reign] until he has put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death." -- 2 Timothy 4:1; 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Psalm 72:1-4; Isaiah 11:1-6; 32:1; Jeremiah 23:5,6; Hosea 13:14; Revelation 20:11-15.

    The saints [dedicated ones] will rule with him over the earth in 1,000-year judgment day and assist in judging the world, offering to them "the water of life freely." -- 1 Corinthians 6:2; Obadiah 21; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:29,30; Romans 8:16-21; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; Revelation 3:21; 5:9,10; 20:4,6; 22:17.

    According to Yahweh's oath-bound promise, Abraham's seed, that is, Christ and all the "sons of God", will bless "all the families of the earth." This blessing will come to the world during the 1,000-year reign. -- Genesis 12:3; 22:16-18; Galatians 3:7-9,16,29; Hebrews 6:13-20; Acts 3:19-25.

    Those who are to be blessed include the dead as well as the living -- the dead will be awakened from their "sleep" in death (Psalm 6:5; 146:4; Daniel 12:2; John 5:28,29 NASV; 11:11-14; 1 Thessalonians 4:14; 2 Peter 3:4) and will then be given an exact knowledge of the truth and a full opportunity to live eternally.

    Eventually "God will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither will there be any more pain; for the former things [things of Satan's reign, including the curse of sin and death] are passed away." -- Revelation 21:1-4; 22:1-3; Isaiah 35:10; 65:17-25.

    "When the Son of man will come in his glory . . . then he will sit on the throne of his glory: and all nations [the unbelieving heathen - Psalm 46:10; 67; 72:1,11,17; 96:3,10; Isaiah 2:2-4; Ezekiel 37:28; 38:16; 39:7] will be gathered [from hades and death -- Revelation 20:12,13] before him. He will separate them [under the testings of that great judgment day] one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats." Those whom he finds to be righteous, pictured as sheep (those who become sheep in the next age, not Christ's sheep of this present age -- John 10:14-15), will be given everlasting life and will "inherit the kingdom" on earth (the meek will inherit it -- Matthew 5:5), whereas those who will not have proved worthy, pictured as goats, will "go away into everlasting punishment [Greek, kolasin, cutting-off]" in the second death, never to live again. "All the wicked he will destroy." -- Matthew 25:31-46; Psalm 145:20; Revelation 20:9,15; 21:8.

    The destruction of the wicked is symbolized by their being cast into the "lake of fire," "which is the second death," into "everlasting fire [fire is an apt symbol, not of preservation, but of destruction], prepared for the devil [who is to be destroyed, annihilated -- Hebrews 2:14; Ezekiel 28:19] and his angels" -- Revelation 20:14,15; 21:8; Matthew 25:41.

    The destruction of the wicked is symbolized by their being cast into the "lake of fire," "which is the second death," into "everlasting fire [fire is an apt symbol, not of preservation, but of destruction], prepared for the devil [who is to be destroyed, annihilated -- Hebrews 2:14; Ezekiel 28:19] and his angels" -- Revelation 20:14,15; 21:8; Matthew 25:41.

    Thus the Bible shows that the world's judgment day is not Doomsday, but Salvation Day, when God's kingdom will rule over the earth. So we should rejoice greatly as we see it approaching! "Let the earth be glad . . . for he [Yahweh] comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, and the people with truth." "All the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God," and will fear [reverence] Him. -- Psalm 96; 98; 67; Isaiah 26:9; Numbers 14:21.

    For more on the day of judgment, see:
    http://reslight.addr.com/course.html
    "Mankind's Course to the Day of Judgment"

    Christian love,
    Ronald

  • Bang
    Bang

    "And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

    I know that the wtbts prefer not to entertain their misgivings and prefer to remain in the dark about their sinfulness - to the point of blaming God should sufficient questions arise about their response-abilities.

    I've also met people at pubs, in the street and down at social security, who really understood themselves and their own failings, and where they were at (down to earth, humble), not really thinking themselves worthy of God and all that.

    The wtbts is it's own judge already - afterall, they are gods, they can do that - zealouts of the dark.

    Bang

    Edited by - Bang on 11 June 2002 3:58:27

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    Here is what Bang must have for that post up top:

    Burnout Syndrome

    What is "burnout syndrome"? It is "a symptom that appears when dedication to a goal is not rewarded" and that shows up with feelings of exhaustion, failure, and self-hatred, says Japan's Mainichi Daily News. When 498 Japanese doctors and nurses were surveyed with regard to their mental health, the results showed that about 37 percent of the nurses had some sort of mental disorder and almost 32 percent were suffering from burnout. Among the doctors, psychiatrists were the most seriously affected. Almost a quarter of them "were in a state of serious burn-out," reports the paper.

  • Bang
    Bang

    Bleep

    You wanted to hear about God's view of judgement - there it is - and how I've seen it in action.

    I'm not sure where your invention of my "burnout syndrome" came from - are you sure your not projecting your frustrations? I mean you were very dedicated in all that waffle about judgement - and without the reward of plainly knowing God's view.

    Bang

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    It is nice bang found some people in those pubs that have the same view but is it Gods view of judgement and doing right?

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    DF victims of child abuse surely cannot be fair judgement in the Lords eyes.

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