Matthew 24:19-21

by Pete Zahut 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Pete Zahut
    Pete Zahut

    But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! And pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath for then shall be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

    This scripture was always used to frighten us about the upcoming great tribulaton. When I was in high school my late Mother found out she was pregnant with my youngest sister. (surprise!) A car group of Sisters from the Hall stopped by our house to use the restroom. They stayed (and stayed) for coffee and I remember them quoting that scripture to my already aprehensive Mom. I wanted to clobber them. My non JW Dad came home from work and had to talk my Mom down off the ceiling. That was over 30 years ago, and my Mother often said after us older ones moved out on our own, that she couldn't imagine not having had my youngest sister...they were the best of friends. She said she wished she'd have enjoyed her last pregnancy instead of worrying about getting us kids and a new baby through the tribulation.

    Looking at this scripture now, it sounds as if one prays enough one could influence when it happened and it doesn't seem to fit any application to Gods modern day people seeing as how it mentions the Sabbath.

    Does anyone remember how they linked this to the (long time coming) Great Tribulation?

  • PaintedToeNail
    PaintedToeNail

    Your poor mother. What mean, spiteful, nasty sisters. I hated that scripture when I was pregnant with my first child, it seemed like it was always being referred to at meetings. Maybe it was a case of just being more attuned to it because of the pregnancy. Either way it is a cruel thing to bring up to pregnant women.

  • Shanagirl
    Shanagirl

    When we were pregnant with our first child, my mother-in-law and the rest of the JW relatives and sisters would tell me "Armegeddon is so close" you will most likely give birth in jail during the persecution during the great triblulation. Makes me sick to think about it.

    Shana

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    I believe if we expand the context a bit, the truth comes out the the WT has totally missapplied Matthew 24.

    15. WHEN YE THEREFORE SHALL SEE THE ABOMINATION
    OF DESOLATION, SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL THE PROPHET,
    STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (WHOSO READETH, LET HIM
    UNDERSTAND:)

    The Abomination of Desolation is a Jewish expression meaning
    abominable or hateful destroyer. The gentiles themselves were
    an abomination to the Jews. Acts 10 28. The Abomination of
    desolation refers to the Roman army (Luke 21:20). This was
    SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL THE PROPHET: Da.11:31 Da.9:27

    All Jerusalem was considered holy; not only its temple Mt.14:5.
    The meaning here is; When you see the Roman army encamped
    about the Holy city; Christ's followers were to be aware that
    Jerusalem's time was limited.

    16. THEN LET THEM WHICH BE IN JUDAEA FLEE INTO THE
    MOUNTAINS:

    The presence of the Roman armies was the specific sign to cue
    believers that the end of Jerusalem was nigh and that they should
    seek safety. The whole of Judea would not be safe so the mountains
    of Palestine were to be resorted to in danger.

    1. LET HIM WHICH IS ON THE HOUSETOP NOT COME DOWN
      TO TAKE ANYTHING OUT OF HIS HOUSE:

    18. NEITHER LET HIM WHICH IS IN THE FEILD RETURN BACK
    TO TAKE HIS CLOTHES.

    When the calamity came upon the city, those in Judea, or in the fields
    should flee without any delay or encumbrance.

    HISTORICAL NOTE: These directions were followed. It is said that
    the Christians warned by these predictions, fled from the city to
    Pella and other places beyond Jordan so that there is no evidence
    that a single Christian perished in Jerusalem.
    (Eusebius, Hist.Eccl.lib.3, chapter 6)

    19. AND WOE TO THEM THAT ARE WITH CHILD, AND TO THEM
    WHICH GIVE SUCK IN THOSE DAYS!
    Pregnant women, and those with young children would be at a
    great disadvantage and peril as they attempt to flee the oncoming
    slaughter. Jesus warning in Luke 23:28-30 on his way to Calvary
    fits here:

    Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves,
    and for your children. For behold, the days are coming, in the which
    they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never
    bare, and the paps which never gave suck. Then shall they begin
    to say to the mountains, Fall on us: and to the hills, Cover us:

    20. BUT PRAY YE THAT YOUR FLIGHT BE NOT IN WINTER,
    NEITHER ON THE SABBATH DAY:

    The destruction would come, but it was advisable to pray for a
    mitigation of the circumstances. Winter's cold would reduce
    the possibility of escape and survival. If the flight was on a Sabbath,
    Jews were not by tradition to travel over 2000 cubits (nearly a mile)
    and they would therefore not get out of the range of danger. The
    gates of the city were also closed on the Sabbath preventing escape.

    21. FOR THEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, SUCH
    AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD
    TO THIS TIME, NO, NOR EVER SHALL BE.

    The word tribulation means calamity or suffering. Lu.21:24
    specifies the nature of this suffering. Josephus uses almost
    the very words of the Saviour. "All the calamities says he, which
    had befallen any nation from the beginning of the world, were but
    small in comparison to those suffered by the Jews.
    (Jewish Wars, b.i. preface, p.4)

    The carnage of the siege, which lasted five months, was horrible beyond belief. Thousands died of starvation. When the Romans finally broke into the city, the sight of so many corpses shocked even hardened soldiers. The slaughter of the city’s citizens was so terrible that fires were extinguished by the profusion of blood (Josephus, Wars 6.8.5).

    Josephus records that 1,100,000 Jews were killed in Jerusalem, and that some 97,000 others were taken as slaves into captivity. It has been estimated that some 1,337,490 Jews in Jerusalem (and in the regions adjacent to Judaea) died — by famine, by the sword, by burning, and by crucifixion (Wars 6.9.3-4).

    Some scholars believe that even these figures are too conservative. In fact, Josephus himself expressed the view that the suffering of this holocaust exceeded anything known to man previously (Wars, Preface, 4; 9.4).

    THEY SHALL FALL BY THE EDGE OF THE SWORD. Lu.21:24
    Josephus says that the whole city ran with blood and that during
    the siege not fewer than eleven hundred thousand perished.
    In all, one million, three hundred and fifty thousand were put to
    death by the Romans. So many were crucified that they ran out
    of crosses for the bodies. So terrible was their imprecation
    fulfilled - His blood be on us and our children.
    Da.12:1 time of trouble at end as never before
    Mt.21:43 kingdom taken away Mat 23:35-58

    22. AND EXCEPT THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED,
    THERE SHOULD NO FLESH BE SAVED: BUT FOR THE ELECT'S
    SAKE THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED.

    If the calamities of the siege, persecution and war

    did not come to an abrupt end, all the inhabitants of Judea,
    including believers who had escaped to other regions would be
    destroyed. But for the sake of the elect. Elect = those chosen to
    salvation through sanctification of spirit and belief in the truth.
    (I Peter 1:2) those days leading to the fall of Jerusalem would
    be reduced.

  • jhine
    jhine

    A good explanation V7 . Does Josephus actually specify crosses as the means of execution ,not torture stakes ?

    Jan

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Pete:

    I think the main point V is making is that the entire context of Mt 24:4-35 describes a 1st century event that was to take place within that generation. In fact it did (although Josephus' figures are sometimes questioned). Most Bible commentators take Jesus' words to have been spoken in around 30-35 AD. The initial effort by Rome to quell the Jewish uprising occurred around November 66 AD under Gallus. Then the Roman campaign against the Jews under Vespasian/Titus began in the spring of 67 AD.

    The flight described in Mt 24:16-20 pertained to that Jewish situation. Look through Revelation. There is no future flight like that described.

  • _Morpheus
  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    Morpheus, it's not as complicated as you make it. Winter means ice and snow. Would it not be better for one to flee in summer? You can sleep outside if necessary and more food would be available. And it would be more beneficial fleeing alone or with your wife, than fleeing with a family, say five children. And it would be extremely difficult if your wife was pregnant, especially if she was in her last trimester. Jesus gave practical advice to those Jews that were in a war situation with Rome.

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