The two elders want to visit my sister the next saturday (this is the third visit)

by opusdei1972 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  opusdei1972

  I phoned my sister and she told me that the elders called her to visit her again the next saturday morning. You can read the issues discussed in the past two visits:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical/281372/1/Elders-answer-questions-about-the-changes-of-the-blood-ban#.U9e2dnLyOPs

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/281947/1/The-two-elders-visited-my-sister-again#.U9e2NHLyOPs

  But now, I wonder why the elders want to visit her again. May be they want to refute the past Society's quotes she read to them. Perhaps, they want to told her that all her quotes are false. The quotes she read to them were extracted from this website:

  http://ia600304.us.archive.org/27/items/WatchtowerLibrary/

  The quotes from the Finished Mystery were taken from this webpage:

  http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/documents/1917_The_Finished_Mystery_1918_edition.pdf

  The elders do not know English, so may be they can tell to my sister that those websites contain falsifications and were not published by the Society.

  Well, I have to wait after the visit, but I don't understand why they are insisting. In the last two conversations my sister has shown her disgust against the blood ban and the flip flops of the Watchtower. So, what else?, do they want to know more of these falsehoods?.....or may be they want to disfellowship her this saturday?. ....My sister does not want to attend the meetings anymore.
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  ducatijoe

  Two Elders can not DF her. If she is done ... then just blow them off. Why bother.
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  Mum

  Your sister does not need to meet with them if she does not want to. If she wants to, she needs to be well prepared for the possibility that they are coming to find out if she is still "loyal to the organization," and to measure her response very carefully. Personally, I would make it clear to them that I stood by what I said earlier and saw no need for further discussion.

  If the elders want to visit somebody, one cannot know in advance what their motive is, but there's at least a 99.99999% chance that it is not to tell you that you've been a "good girl or boy."

  Please keep us posted as to whether she meets with them and what the outcome is.
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  opusdei1972

  Whatever, she will say that she doesn't want to attend the meetings anymore, because she can't preach the doctrines of the governing body in good conscience. However, she will not write any resignation letter.

  Surely, I will post the outcome of that meeting.
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  Dis-Member

  This was exactly my situation. I showed the elders an absolute ship load of utterly insane and ridiculous quotes published by the watchtower leaders that prove without any doubt that they could never have been chosen by Jesus for anything based upon what they were teaching and their views back then. The entire house of cards implodes from the center and simply collapses.
  
  The elders could not refute a single word of what I showed them because they were English speaking and all of the material was all in English and came embarrasingly right from their own Kingdom Hall library. They were speechless and completely mute. They did not have a leg to stand on.
  
  I walked out and have never been to a meeting since. All I ever got was a single email requesting that I don't share my findings with anyone else in the congregation. I still have that email.
  
  That was a year and a half ago. They have left me completely alone. You can never be disfellowshipped for studying their own literature.
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  Gentledawn

  Never trust the Watchtower to play by their own rules. They (the leadership & hierarchy) are conniving, cowardly, craven little schemers. And they change-up things on the fly to suit themselves.

  New letter dated July 11, 2014:
  
  "In the rare instance where three elders cannot be located to serve on the judicial committee, two elders may care for the matter"

  Link to leaked Elder letters plus discussions:

  July 11th, 2014 (Minister-Ministers can be elders, too, without the actual title [Elder shortage])
  http://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/2c2s3p/leaked_july_11_2014_boe_lack_elders_use_ms/

  July 12th, 2014 (JW-Borg logins and uses)
  http://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/2c2pv7/leaked_july_12_2014_boe_all_ur_logins_are_belong/
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  opusdei1972

  Just in case, I told her that she should quote the following excerpt from the book Preservation (1932):

  “After the holy spirit as an advocate or paraclete ceased to function in behalf of the consecrated, then the angels are employed in behalf of those who are being made ready for the kingdom. ‘For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all they ways’ -Ps. 91:11″ (Preservation, 1932 p. 51-52)

  “By his spirit, the holy spirit, Jehovah God guides or leads his people up to a certain point of time, and thus he did until the time when ‘the comforter’ was taken away, which would necessarily occur when Jesus, the Head of his organization, came to the temple and gathered unto himself those whom he found faithful when he, as the great Judge, began his judgment, in 1918.” (Preservation, 1932, p. 193-194)

  This shows that since 1918 there was no Holy Spirit helping Rutherford's friends, but angels liars.