Where's Jesus When You Need Him-Cant He Defend His People From Islam?

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  • fulltimestudent

    One of the oldest remaining Christian groups in the world is close to being wiped out by the ISIS Sunni Caliphate.

    The 'sort-of' history called, 'Acts of Apostles,' tells us that on the day of Pentecost, among those who were in Jerusalem on that day and supposedly witnessed the coming of the NS, were (Acts 2:9), among others:

    "Parthians and Medes and Elamites and the inhabitants of Mesopotamia ..."

    It's claimed that many of these people became Christians before they returned home, and a Christian church was formed early in the beginnings of Christianity/

    Many historians think that were more Christians in Asia in the first century than anywhere else, though, Egypt - Libya was also a hot spot for Christianity.

    This map gives you an idea of the reach of Asian churches in the past - though much later than the first century, of course.

    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioceses_of_the_Church_of_the_East_to_1318#mediaviewer/File:Dioceses_of_the_Church_of_the_East.svg

    But no more.

    Ever since the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople and the Pope of Rome (in 1053-1054CE) had an official falling out over doctrine and who was the boss, weakened the Church, and the later Pope Urban II envisioned a HOLY WAR on Islam (i.e. the Crusades), Christianity has been gradually losing out in west Asia.

    Now the headlines,

    Last few Iraqi Christians flee violence and threats in Mosul as Isis continues its takeover

    tell us of the near end of 2000 years of Christianity in Iraq. The report continues:

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) wrestled control of the northern Iraqi city on 10 June in an attempt to carve out a Sunni caliphate.

    Large swathes of Christian and Iraqi property has been seized by the militant group as it grows its governance in the aim of making Mosul the capital of its new Islamic state.

    One of the properties seized by militants, the ancient Catholic Mar Behnam Monastery located 15 miles south of Mosul, was a place of pilgrimage and an important Christian landmark.

    However on Sunday, it was seized by Isis fighters and its monks expelled, who were permitted only to take the clothes they were wearing.

    Last week, the extremists gave Christians in Mosul three options: either convert to Islam, pay a special tax or be killed.

    They gave a deadline of Saturday 19 July, which led to a mass exodus of Iraqi Christians – communities that had had 2,000-year-old links to the country – on Friday, Al Arabiya News reports.

    Though a number of Christians – a religious minority in Iraq – had already fled the city after hard-line Isis captured it last month, for many the ultimatum was the final straw. The city is now said to be all but clear of Christians.

    Reference: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/last-few-iraqi-christians-flee-violence-and-threats-in-mosul-as-isis-continues-its-takeover-9622541.html

    Iraqi refugees

    An Iraqi Christian woman fleeing the violence in the village of Qaraqush, about 30 kms east of the northern province of Nineveh, cries upon her arrival at a community center in the Kurdish city of Arbil in Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan region. SAFIN HAMED/AFP/Getty Images Shi-ite Muslims are also in fear during this attack by Sunni Muslims. Iraqi refugees

    An Iraqi woman, who fled with her family from the northern city of Mosul, prays with her copy of the Quran, but her Allah also seems helpless.

    Hussein Malla/AP

    The Independent report also noted:

    The number of Christians in Iraq began to decrease after the 2003 US-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein, which resulted in sectarian violence swelling.

    Saddam, with his many faults, had a better understanding of the many forces exerted in the artificial, western created state of Iraq, than the ideologically driven George W. Bush, who it appears, made the situation a thousand times worse than it was.

    How paradoxical, that the USA, arguably the most Christian of all contemporary nations, causes the destruction of one of the oldest Christian communities in the world.

    And Jesus, as Freddy Franz may have delicately put it, seems to

    have excrement and has to go to the privy... -1 Kings 18:27 NWT

    and is unable to come to the rescue of his followers.

  • designs

    Jibraaiyl is testing them....

  • Mum

    Interesting that you brought this up. This morning I was babysitting my great granddaughter and went to YouTube to find her some videos to watch. In the course of my searches, I accidentally ran across a video about a Muslim man who somehow "saw" Jesus and converted to Christianity. So then I typed into the search bar something like "Muslum man saw Jesus," and a long list of video's came up with stories about Muslim encounters with Jesus and subsequent conversion to Christianity.

    So I tried the opposite search and typed in something like "Christian converts to Islam." A list of videos came up, but none of them referred to a person having "seen" Mohammed or anything else hinting at the supernatural.

    I haven't drawn any conclusions, but I find the whole idea fascinating!

  • fulltimestudent

    OK, Mum ...

    To feed your fascination - I offer (grin)

    From Christian Broadcasting Network.


    Why are So Many Westerners Converting to Islam?

    CBN.com - It is a fact that Islam is growing rapidly in the West. In the U.S. alone the number of Muslims has risen dramatically, from about 10,000 in 1900 to 3 million or more in 1991 (some authorities say 4.5 million). Most of this growth is due to recent immigration and the high birth rate of Muslims (5 children per family on average), rather than to conversion. Still, the number of those who convert to Islam is significant. In the U.S., the majority are African-American (a third of all Muslims according to most authorities), but there have also been significant numbers of Anglos to convert as well, many of them well-educated.

    What is motivating people to turn to Islam? A recent article in Christianity Today (Aug 20,1990) reported that in the U.S., the average age of those converting to Islam (31) is about twice that for conversion to Christian faith (age 16). It listed 5 main reasons given for becoming Muslim:

    Islam's doctrine is simple and rational,

    all believers are equal,

    it is a "practical" religion,

    and lacks a priesthood.

    I read and clipped the article at the time, but when I recently pulled it out to re-read it, it struck me that those "reasons" merely parrot the arguments Muslim apologists use to propagate Islam. On reflection, I would say that all that they show is that Muslim apologetics is having some effect, but these are not necessarily what is motivating Americans to become Muslim.

    An American Muslim interviewed in a fairly recent book (Neighbors: Muslims in North America. Friendship Press, 1989) gave the following reasons when asked why African-Americans are turning to Islam. I have heard the same things from African-Americans in Philadelphia more than once. First on his list is racism in the church. "The discrimination that we feel makes Islam attractive to us because it's a way of rejecting the culture that will not have us. In sociological terms I think that one of the reasons that many African-Americans go to Islam as opposed to Christianity--and many of us have been raised Christian--is that the people doing these things to us are also Christian." How often does one not hear it said, "America is no more segregated than at eleven o'clock on Sunday mornings."

    The second reason he gives is, I believe, also important in the conversion of Anglo-Americans. "Another factor--and this is part of what attracted me to Islam--is direction and discipline." Our society is disintegrating for lack of discipline, especially in the city. Through its disciplined life-style, to many people Islam seems to hold out the promise of helping them get their lives back in order again.

    Finally, there is a third factor which probably no one would ever mention explicitly, for obvious reasons, but which, I believe, is nevertheless important. This is the fact that Islam offers a conversion experience and the opportunity to get one's life in order, without needing to confess ones sin and need of salvation. In fact, Islam makes quite a point of denying these truths. It tells people they do not need salvation; all they need is to follow the "guidance" of God's law, and they will make it to heaven. That is something the natural man likes to hear.


    A list of people who've converted to Islam.


    PS: I am not a convert to Islam (or, any other religion- I intend to keep my soul unsullied )

    PPS: Share your conclusions - when you do draw some>

  • designs

    I researched the same- Lots of stories of Jesus on a tortilla but zero of Muhammed on Peta bread....

  • WTWizard

    It's pretty difficult to help your followers when you never existed. The archetype of the perfect slave is going to help no one, except if they try emulating that thing. And then it will only help you become the perfect slave.

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