I don't want to be right!

by cognisonance 4 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cognisonance
    cognisonance

    Or judging by the URL, the alternate title would have been: Why do people persist in believing things that just arent true?

    Key snippets:

    One thing he learned early on is that not all errors are created equal. Not all false information goes on to become a false belief—that is, a more lasting state of incorrect knowledge—and not all false beliefs are difficult to correct. Take astronomy. If someone asked you to explain the relationship between the Earth and the sun, you might say something wrong: perhaps that the sun rotates around the Earth, rising in the east and setting in the west. A friend who understands astronomy may correct you. It’s no big deal; you simply change your belief.

    But imagine living in the time of Galileo, when understandings of the Earth-sun relationship were completely different, and when that view was tied closely to ideas of the nature of the world, the self, and religion. What would happen if Galileo tried to correct your belief? The process isn’t nearly as simple. The crucial difference between then and now, of course, is the importance of the misperception. When there’s no immediate threat to our understanding of the world, we change our beliefs. It’s when that change contradicts something we’ve long held as important that problems occur.

    The campaign against smoking is one of the most successful public-interest fact-checking operations in history. But, if smoking were just for Republicans or Democrats, change would have been far more unlikely. It’s only after ideology is put to the side that a message itself can change, so that it becomes decoupled from notions of self-perception.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    The problem of believing in things which are simply not true is in our minds primarily exemplified by JW's of course, though a host of other believers in things religious and non-religious are guilty of the same thing.

    The problem I have encountered with JW's recently, and this is a new phenomenon I think, they simply do not care what is and is not true !

    For all of their supposedly being in posession of the truth, and calling their bunch of wacky, ever changing beliefs the "Truth", they really are not worried when you show them that they are simply not true. It makes no difference.

    To them, as per the quote above, if the GB say today that the Earth is the centre of the Solar System and the Sun and all the other Planets revolve around the Earth (the Chuch's view that Galileo had to contend with), JW's are content to believe that, despite all evidence to the contrary.

    Such an attitude is a crime, ( an Intellectual Crime), against Reason, and a crime against all honest members of the Human Race, past and present, who love and search for Truth.

  • cognisonance
    cognisonance

    For the JW's though this is because their ideology (sense of self) requires believing in whatever the GB says is true as the only appropriate course of action, otherwise they risk being eaten by worms at Armageddon.

    If you could somehow separate facts from their ideology they could be helped, but the cult seems to be nearly perfectly impervious to such efforts to separate ideology from facts (and non-facts). You can't talk about facts in isolation with them.

    They have redefined what the word “true” and “accurate” mean.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    That is what cults do, re-define words, and re-define how you feel about what the words used to stand for.

    Truth, we have mentioned, but Family is re-defined as only those within the cult (blood relative or not), your former feelings for your real family must be pressed down, until they are gone, those outside the Cult are re-defined as "Satan's minions", and Reality is whatever the Cult says it is (at this moment in time, both Reality and Truth are likely to change.)

  • Domenic
    Domenic

    The JW's say: "The GB say today that the Earth is the centre of the Solar System and the Sun and all the other Planets revolve around the Earth."

    I don't know if this is true or not.

    Mathematically it could be…we move, or it moves. NASA was asked their view. Here was their reply. “For all missions, we make the earth the center. Not moving. It is easer to make calculations with the earth not moving. If we calculated the earth moving, it would be a complex calculation with all bodies in motion. We have no way of establishing if the earth moves, or if the solar system moves around the earth. This would hold true with and body in space.”

    The Bible says, “Nothing can move the earth.” ????????????????

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