The quest for the historical David...

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  • HowTheBibleWasCreated
    HowTheBibleWasCreated

    I previously posted under HowTheBibleWasInvented but after my computer needed rebooting I lost all my sign in info thus the new name:

    To start I used to believe in a historical David. After all the Tel Dan and Mesha Steele* confirmed his existance ... or so I thought.

    *The Mesha Steele was broken however a rubbing was taken before it was broken confirming the inscription

    Having read Finkelstien's books I was quite aware that had David existed he would have been a tribal leader. However recently reading 2 Kings I hit on a severe blow to a hostorical David theory. To sum up lets first see which prophets mention David:

    740-700BCE Isaiah (Before chapter 36)- House of David or Throne of David <<< Sounds like a title of Judean Kings but fits the title in the Tel Dan and Mesha Steele

    600BCE Jeremiah makes the same referances to house or throne of David until chapter 25.

    However!>>>>

    After 587 BCEJeremiah 26-52 (By it's own admisssion added by Baruch the Son of Nereiah) personifiy David. After since many schooler point out that the Dtr. History (Dueteronomy-2 Kings) is from the same author David is personified their too.

    597-565 BCE Ezekiel is curious. He personifies David in a mystical way as being a ressurection.

    At this point some will object and say "What about Hosea and Amos?"

    Oracles before 750BCE Hosea simply says: 'David will be their King'. Very vauge and likly refering to the house of Judah's rulars.

    Before 770BCE Amos says: David was a musician and mentions a tent of David. This is not the same person.

    SO WHY CALL THE JUDEAN KINGS DAVID?

    Read: (NWT 2013)

    1 Kings 16

    15 In the 27th year of King A′sa of Judah, Zim′ri became king for seven days in Tir′zah while the troops were camped against Gib′be·thon,+ which belonged to the Phi·lis′tines. 16 In time the troops who were encamped heard it being said: “Zim′ri has conspired and has also struck down the king.” So all Israel made Om′ri,+ the chief of the army, king over Israel on that day in the camp.17 Om′ri and all Israel with him went up from Gib′be·thon and laid siege to Tir′zah. 18 When Zim′ri saw that the city had been captured, he went into the fortified tower of the king’s house* and burned the house down over himself, and he died.+ 19 This was for his own sins that he had committed by doing what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah by walking in the way of Jer·o·bo′am and for the sin he had caused Israel to commit.+ 20 As for the rest of the history of Zim′ri and his conspiracy, is it not written in the book of the history of the times of the kings of Israel?

    Anyone see a 'Saul' here? Gibeah... Suicide.. Tragedy

    Continuing>>

    21 It was then that the people of Israel were divided into two factions. One part of the people became followers of Tib′ni the son of Gi′nath, wanting to make him king, and the other part followed Om′ri. 22 But the people who were following Om′ri prevailed over the people following Tib′ni the son of Gi′nath. So Tib′ni died, and Om′ri became king.

    A Saul,David story but Omri is not only known in arceology he was the King that established Israel's strongest dynesty.

    Continuing into humor lol>

    23 In the 31st year of King A′sa of Judah, Om′ri became king over Israel, and he reigned for 12 years. In Tir′zah he reigned for six years. 24 He bought the mountain of Sa·mar′i·a from She′mer for two talents* of silver, and he built a city on the mountain. He named the city that he built Sa·mar′i·a,*+ after She′mer the owner* of the mountain. 25 Om′ri kept doing what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, and he was worse than all who were prior to him.+ 26 He walked in all the ways of Jer·o·bo′am the son of Ne′bat and in the sin he had caused Israel to commit by offending Jehovah the God of Israel with their worthless idols.+ 27 As for the rest of the history of Om′ri, what he did and his mighty exploits, is it not written in the book of the history of the times of the kings of Israel?28 Then Om′ri was laid to rest with his forefathers and was buried in Sa·mar′i·a; and his son A′hab+ became king in his place.29 A′hab the son of Om′ri became king over Israel in the 38th year of King A′sa of Judah, and A′hab the son of Om′ri reigned over Israel in Sa·mar′i·a+ for 22 years. 30 A′hab the son of Om′ri was worse in the eyes of Jehovah than all those who were prior to him.+ 31 As if it were a trivial thing for him to walk in the sins of Jer·o·bo′am+the son of Ne′bat, he also took as wife Jez′e·bel+ the daughter of Eth·ba′al, the king of the Si·do′ni·ans,+ and began to serve Ba′al+ and to bow down to him.

    The humor is this author's (Baruch) idea of a good rular is laughable. Hoever note Ahab and Jezebel will have a daughter and two sons:

    Jehoram, Ahaziah and Ataliah. It is the later that with marry a King (cheiftan)of Judah

    Before I dive into that issue 2 Kings 3 is the battle of the Mesha Steele. It claims Jehosaphat was King. Not likely. He might have been a cheiftan but he was clearly UNDER Jehoram of Israel. Thus Mesha Stele simply says a rular from the house of David.

    NOW FOR THE SHOCKER>>>

    2 Kings 8:

    25 In the 12th year of Je·ho′ram the son of A′hab the king of Israel, A·ha·zi′ah the son of King Je·ho′ram of Judah became king.+ 26 A·ha·zi′ah was 22 years old when he became king, and he reigned for one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Ath·a·li′ah+ the granddaughter* of King Om′ri+ of Israel. 27 He walked in the way of the house of A′hab+ and kept doing what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, like the house of A′hab, for he was related to the house of A′hab by marriage.+ 28 So he went with Je·ho′ram the son of A′hab to wage war against King Haz′a·el of Syria at Ra′moth-gil′e·ad,+but the Syrians wounded Je·ho′ram.+ 29 So King Je·ho′ram returned to Jez′re·el+ to recover from the wounds that the Syrians had inflicted on him at Ra′mah when he fought against King Haz′a·el of Syria.+ A·ha·zi′ah the son of Je·ho′ram the king of Judah went down to Jez′re·el to see Je·ho′ram the son of A′hab, because he had been wounded.*

    Ahaziah was part of the house of Omri? The son of the BELOVED daughter of Ahab and Jezebel

    DAVID= BELOVED in Hebrew.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Thanks for your post, I certainly have to "read and digest" it before commenting properly.

    I am well aware too of the very real doubts about the traditional view of David. or to express it far better, the remarkable lack of proof for the Traditional David, and for the extent of his "kingdom" (probably more of a Sheikdom).

    As to your "shocker", I must look in to this, and you may well be on to something BIG, quite often in the O.T in particular, we get accidental proof of a reality that does not appear plainly in the surface narrative.

    I simply love finding out more about these texts, so thank you once again for the post !

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