Holocaust bible prophecy?

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  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Russell taught and believed that the Jews would be restored to Israel. The bible does say that and it did end up happening.

    Rutherford dropped that teaching about 5 years I think before it actually happened.

    The scriptures about unless those days were cut short no flesh would be saved but on account of the chosen/holy(don't have bible handy atm to read it) those days will be cut short.

    If memory serves me right the natural jews are called the holy or chosen in early christianity. During the holocaust they were being exterminated and if those days were not cut short and Nazi's defeated, none of them would have survived.

    Also I believe the extermination camps were from 1941 to 1945, possibly 3.5 years, and a ton of those prophecies points to the middle of a week 3.5, or time times and half a time which is 3.5, or 42 months 3.5 years, etc.

    Also the 1,000 year reign is different in the scriptures then how the WT taught. With human governments and kingdoms still around during that time and by the end all submit to God. If it is all true then perhaps it began after WW2 and the world will have slow improvements over the next 920 years.

  • prologos
    prologos

    yeah, and how about the NATIONS still around, still organized in the 4 corners of the Earth AFTER the 1000 year Reich?

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    If my memory serves me correctly, the concentration camps were set up in the early 1930's. Yup - here it is; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_concentration_camps

    A bit longer than 3 1/2 years.

  • prologos
    prologos

    sercher@ concentration camps in the early 30s?

    true, but the affair did not get serious for the jewish people unti 1938, the mass killings until the russian campaign 1941.a very dark part of our not-so- glorious past.

  • Pyramid God
    Pyramid God

    It's confirmation bias. Someone wrote something about the reestablishment of Israel and 2000 years later the Jews were given land for totally different reasons. This ignores all the other things the bible says that did not come true.

    The same thing could happen if I made an outlandish claim, like for instance that Italy would rise again and reestablish the Roman Empire, and 2000 years from now Italy started conquering parts of Europe. I'd be made a prophet just because some ridiculous guess I made came true for unrelated reasons millenia later.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    i meant the extermination camps or the death camps. not the concentration ones.

  • objectivetruth
    objectivetruth

    EOM - Take a look at Daniel 11:21-45 - The Events that took place surrounding Hitler are Eerily accurate to the Events in Daniel 11:21-45 and other Prophecies.. Here are my notes (not yet complete) for your reference.. Obviously all of this is speculation, it does seem very probable that Hitler and the Holocaust fulfilled. More than 1 Prophecy. What other time are 6 Million of Gods's people (The Jews) killed? Add to this the Events surrounding Israel & Jerusalme in 1948/1967 things really get interesting.

    Also there are dates that line up for the 3.5 Years (Surrounding extermination Camps)

    Hitler and Holocaust Prophesied http://watch.pair.com/new-israel.html#24.A Daniel written between 167 and 164 BCE This prophecy has a dual fulfillment - ...at least a part of Daniel 11 must also be DUAL! And no wonder, for we find the chapter concludes with the "time of the end" (verse 40) - leading up to the resurrection of the saints Daniel 10:14 - " I have come to make you understand what will befall your people in the final part of the days, because it is a vision yet for the days to come.

    • The following prophecies are all related to the Jews, not necessarily the whole earth.

    Daniel 10:15 - " Now when he spoke these words to me, I turned my face to the ground and became speechless."

    • Daniel was shocked and saddened for the future of his People.

    Daniel 10:21 - "21 However, I will tell you the things recorded in the writings of truth. There is no one strongly supporting me in these things but Mi′cha·el, your prince"

    • But Michael your prince - See the notes at Daniel 10:13. The patron, or guardian of your people, and of their interests. The idea intended to be conveyed here undoubtedly is, that Michael was a guardian angel for the Jewish people

    But, a quick survey of the next 24 verses, reveals that the transitional phrase “shall stand up”[102] is not used again until Daniel 12:1 when “Michael [shall] stand up.” Instead, the personal pronouns “he, him, his” and “himself (used more than 50 times throughout the remainder of this chapter)” invariably refer back to the “vile person” of verse 21. That should compel us to reconsider our conclusion that Tiberius is the “vile person” Gabriel said would “stand up” in this verse. It seems unlikely Gabriel would confer such importance on Tiberius or even pagan Rome throughout the remainder of this chapter.

    Daniel 11:21 - In his place shall arise a contemptible person to whom royal majesty has not been given. He shall come in without warning and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

    • Royal Majesty has not been Given. - His Imperial and Royal Majesty William I (Hitler decided to enter a coalition government as chancellor in January 1933. Upon the death of Hindenburg in August 1934, Hitler was the consensus successor. With an improving economy, Hitler claimed credit and consolidated his position as a dictator, having succeeded in eliminating challenges from other political parties and government institutions.)
    • Come in without Warning - The party's rise to power was rapid. Before the economic depression struck, the Nazis were practically unknown, winning only 3 percent of the vote to the Reichstag (German parliament) in elections in 1924. In the 1932 elections, the Nazis won 33 percent of the votes, more than any other party. In January 1933 Hitler was appointed chancellor, the head of the German government, and many Germans believed that they had found a savior for their nation http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=100076
    • Obtain the Kingdom by Flatteries - "Hitler was a powerful and spellbinding speaker who attracted a wide following of Germans desperate for change. He promised the disenchanted a better life and a new and glorious Germany. The Nazis appealed especially to the unemployed, young people, and members of the lower middle class" http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007671 / Hitler decided to seize power constitutionally rather than by force of arms. Using demagogic oratory, Hitler spoke to scores of mass audiences, calling for the German people to resist the yoke of Jews and Communists, and to create a new empire which would rule the world for 1,000 years. (Demagogic Oratory Demagogic = a political agitator who appeals with crude oratory to the prejudice and passions of the mob Oratory is a type of public speaking.)
    • in 1932 and finally appointed Hitler Chancellor in January 1933. In February, he issued the Reichstag Fire Decree, which suspended various civil liberties, and in March he signed the Enabling Act, which gave Hitler's administration legislative powers. Hindenburg died the following year, after which Hitler declared the office of President vacant and, as " Führer und Reichskanzler", made himself head of state.
    • http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story645.html

    11:22 - And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflowed from before him, and shall be broken; yes, also the prince of the covenant.

    • A Blitzkrieg (lightning war) of German tanks and infantry swept through most of Western Europe as nation after nation fell to the German war machine.
    • Germany quickly overran much of Europe and was victorious for more than two years by relying on a new military tactic called the "Blitzkrieg" (lightning war).
    • This it was not unnatural to compare with an "inundation of waters" spreading over a land. See Isaiah 8:8. Nor was it altogether unnatural to speak of an inundation as having "arms" extending far and near; sweeping everything to itself, or carrying it away. Thus we speak of an arm of the sea, an arm of a river, etc. In this manner the inundation - the invasion - seemed to spread itself out like waters, sweeping all away.
    • - the prince of the covenant ??? King of Egypt? (Nasi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasi Prince) Chaim Weizmann was elected to serve as the first Nasi - President of the State of Israel.
    • The Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann (1874-1952) was president of the World Zionist Organization and first president of the state of Israel.

      Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-weizmann#ixzz2yu6bgkln

    11:23 - And from the time that an alliance is made with him he shall act deceitfully, and he shall become strong with a small people. Third Reich = a small people?

    • "With Him" Hitler
    • Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, [a] and also known as the Ribbentrop–Molotov Pact or Nazi–Soviet Pact, was a non-aggression pact signed inMoscow in the late hours of 23 August 1939
    • Nazi Germany terminated the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact with its invasion of the Soviet Union at 03:15 on 22 June 1941. [211] Stalin had ignored several warnings that Germany was likely to attack, [212] [213] [214] and ordered no full-scale mobilization of forces. [215] After the launch of the invasion, the territories gained by the Soviet Union due to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact were lost in a matter of weeks. Within six months, the Soviet military had suffered 4.3 million casualties [216] and Germany had captured three million Soviet prisoners. [217]
    • http://www.historyhome.co.uk/europe/hitfor.htm

    11:24 - Without warning he shall come into the richest parts e of the province, and he shall do what neither his fathers nor his fathers’ fathers have done, scattering among them plunder, spoil, and goods. He shall devise plans against strongholds, but only for a time.

    • The imports of Soviet raw materials into Germany over the duration of the countries' economic relationship proved vital to Operation Barbarossa. Without Soviet imports, German stocks would have run out in several key products by October 1941, and Germany would have already run through its stocks of rubber and grain before the first day of the invasion.

    11:25 - He will rouse his strength and enthusiasm against the king of the south with a large army. The king of the south will wage war with a large and very powerful army, but he will not be able to prevail because of the plans devised against him.

    • The German forces in Africa developed a renown for their fighting qualities. Many of British whom they fought against were under the impression that it was an elite force, but the Africa Korps was made up of common German soldiers from the Wehrmacht. They had no special training prior to their arrival in Africa beyond what was usually expected.
    • German Afrika Korps—commanded by Erwin Rommel—was dispatched to North Africa—during Operation Sonnenblume—to reinforce Italian forces in order to prevent a complete Axis defeat.
    • Operation Sonnenblume ("Sunflower") was the deployment of German troops (the Afrika Korps) to North Africa in February 1941, Operation Sonnenblume ("Sunflower") was the deployment of German troops (the Afrika Korps) to North Africa in February 1941, during the Second World War. These troops reinforced the remaining Italian forces in Libya after the Italian 10th Army was destroyed by British attacks during Operation Compass.
    • King of the South = Egypt
    • In March, German commander Erwin Rommel began his operations with a feinting advance, to test the British defenses; caught off-guard by his aggression and assuming the Germans were stronger than actuality, the Western desert force withdrew to Mersa El Brega. Rommel sensed their unwillingness to fight and pursued them; what began as an initial reconnaissance turned into a full-scale offensive. - Rommel disguised a number of transport vehicles with cardboard to make his armored forces appear larger this, and the dust clouds deliberately raised behind the vehicles, made the Allies believe they were facing a larger attack then they were and they quickly abandoned their positions at Agedabya.

    11:26 - Even those who eat his food shall break him. His army shall be swept away, and many shall fall down slain. 11:27 - And as for the two kings, their hearts shall be bent on doing evil. They shall speak lies at the same table, but to no avail, for the end is yet to be at the time appointed.

    • Hitler & Mussolini

    11:28 - And he shall return to his land with great wealth, but his heart shall be set against the holy covenant. And he shall work his will and return to his own land.

    • On 4 April, Benghazi fell, yielding substantial supplies to the Germans.
    • And his heart shall be against the holy covenant - The words "holy covenant" are a technical expression to denote the Jewish institutions. The Hebrew people were called the "covenant people," as being a people with whom God had entered into covenant. All their privileges were regarded as the result of that covenant, and hence, the word came to be applied to all the institutions of the nation. When it is said that his heart Was against that covenant, the meaning is, that he was enraged against it; and determined to bring calamity upon the place and people connected with it.

    11:29 - At the time appointed he shall return and come into the south, but it shall not be this time as it was before.

    • Verse 29 — the same year, he again invaded Egypt, but with none of his former success, because Philometor, king of the south, got help from Rome.

    11:30 - For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall be afraid and withdraw, and shall turn back and be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and pay attention to those who forsake the holy covenant.

    • Numbers 24:24 - "24 Ships will come from the coast of Kit′tim,+And they will afflict As·syr′i·a,+ And they will afflict E′ber. But he too will utterly perish.”
    • Mediterranean Fleet Other major actions included theBattle of Cape Matapan, and the Battle of Crete. The Fleet had to block Italian and later German reinforcements and supplies for the North African Campaign.
    • Verse 30 — the Roman fleet came against Antiochus, he was forced to surrender to the terms of Popillius, commander of the Roman fleet, and retire from Egypt and restore Cyprus to Egypt. Returning through Judea, smarting under the defeat, he vented his exasperation against the Jews, and extended special favors to those Jews who would turn from their religion.

    11:31 - Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate. 32 - He shall seduce with flattery those who violate the covenant, but the people who know their God shall stand firm and take action. (Christians Violate the Covenant - Trinity The Covenant Lev 26:40-45) 33 - And the wise among the people shall make many understand, though for some days they shall stumble by sword and flame, by captivity and plunder. 34 - When they stumble, they shall receive a little help. And many shall join themselves to them with flattery. 35 - and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time. 36 - “And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is decreed shall be done

    • Exalt himself above every god (Hail Hitler)
    • "We believe on this earth in Adolf Hitler alone! We believe in National Socialism as
      the creed which is the sole source of grace! We believe that Almighty God has sent
      us Adolf Hitler so that he may rid Germany of the hypocrites and Pharisees." Robert
      Ley
      , Head of the German Labour Front (DAF).

    11:37 - He shall pay no attention to the gods of his fathers, or to the one beloved by women. He shall not pay attention to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all. (Ishtar, also known as Easter/Oster/Ostern (the Germanic goddess of Springtime) 38 - He shall honor the god of fortresses instead of these. A god whom his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 - He shall deal with the strongest fortresses with the help of a foreign god. Those who acknowledge him he shall load with honor. He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price. f 40 - “At the time of the end, the king of the south shall attack him, but the king of the north shall rush upon him like a whirlwind, with chariots and horsemen, and with many ships. And he shall come into countries and shall overflow and pass through 41 - He shall come into the glorious land. And tens of thousands shall fall, but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites. 42 - He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 - He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver, and all the precious things of Egypt, and the Libyans and the Cushites shall follow in his train. 44 - But news from the east and the north shall alarm him, and he shall go out with great fury to destroy and devote many to destruction.

    • (To be able to destroy many of the Jews as we read in verse this person first must occupy and rule over most of Europe . Therefore we read:" He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.)
    • Rumors from the east means most likely that the Japanese troops, that came over land to assist the Germans, at a certain moment turned about and let the German do the fighting alone. When this happens he decides to destroy and annihilate many Jews. To destroy with gas and annihilate by burning millions of Jews

    11:45 - And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.

    • (Suicide)

    19 And he said, "Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be...23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, When the transgressors have reached their fullness, A king shall arise, Having fierce features, Who understands sinister schemes. 24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people. 25 "Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means. 26 "And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For it refers to many days in the future." (Daniel 8:19,23-26)

  • objectivetruth
  • objectivetruth
    objectivetruth

    Here are some prophecies that possibly had their fulfillment in the Past 100 Years. (The Explanations below are. It mine, they are quotes from multiple sources)


    Prophecies Fulfilled in current Era Return to Jerusalem

    Ezekiel 39:27-29 "When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations." 28 "Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind." 29 "I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.

    Amos 9:13-15 "The days are coming, declares the LORD, when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills. 14 I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them, says the LORD your God."

    Jeremiah 30:2 "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you. 3 The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD."

    Jeremiah 31:10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd."

    Jeremiah 33:7 - "I will bring Judah and Israel back from captivity and will rebuild them as they were before."

    Ezekiel 37:21-27 - "I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms."

    Ezekiel 39:28 "Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind." "

    The above are only a few of the verses where the Lord Himself declares that He is the one who scattered the Jews and it is He who will put them back in their land. Who can stand against the great WILL of God! Could the Jewish people have stayed in the Land of Israel when God declared He would scatter them? No! Could the Jewish people return to the Land of Israel in exactly the manner predicted when God had declared that only He would gather them back? No! It is my firm conviction that Israel exists today only because it is God’s will that it be so. Israel is truly a modern day miracle. An act of God in fulfillment of His Word. A definite sign that God has resumed His dealings with His chosen people, to fulfill all the prophecies relating to them, their total return to the land as one nation, and ultimately to give them the one king they are waiting for, who I believe will be none other than Jesus Christ." - http://www.bibleprobe.com/greatsign.htm "....I can tell you that for the first time in the history of the Jewish people since the Second Temple period, in the next decade and a half the majority of the Jewish people will live in the Jewish land. If this is not the materialization of prophecy, then nothing is." From a speech by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the Feast of the Tabernacles Conference (International Christian Embassy) October 5, 1998 Some believe that because the Jewish people were disobedient to God and were scattered over the face of the earth that God has forsaken them and that the church as has taken the place of Israel. Or it may be some other group who make this claim. If you are inclined to believe this consider these words of Paul.

    Romans 11:25 "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in." Luke 21:24 - "They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

    The Jewish occupation of Jerusalem in 1967 provided dramatic and literal fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy recorded in Luke 21:24 indicating that "the times of the Gentiles" were about to be fulfilled, and that the world had entered the final stages leading to Christ's coming and Armageddon.

    In these events, Jews remain opposed to the true gospel found in Jesus Christ. Paul wrote: "I would not that ye should be ignorant of this mystery (or secret)... that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer (Christ), and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they (the Jews) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' (Abraham etc.) sakes" (Romans 11:25-28). Thus, the Jewish people would be blind to the true identity of Christ until "the fullness of the Gentiles be come in", at which time Christ will return, discipline, humble and convert the Jewish people.


    Prophecies to still be Fulfilled : Zechariah 12:3 - "In that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone to all the peoples. All those who lift it are sure to be severely injured and all the nations of the earth will be gathered against her."

    • United Nations = all the nations of the earth

    Joel 3:3 “For look! in those days and in that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather together all the nations And bring them down to the Valley of Je·hosh′a·phat. I will enter into judgment with them there In behalf of my people and my inheritance Israel, For they scattered them among the nations, And they divided up my land among themselves.

    • I will gather together all of the nations = UN
    • My Land = Jerusalem many have owned it since 607 BC

    Joel 3:6 - " 6 And the people of Judah and Jerusalem you have sold to the Greeks, In order to remove them far from their territory;" (Are Muslims considered "The Greeks" or Christians?) Daniel 2:44 - "33 its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 You looked on until a stone was cut out, not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of clay and crushed them. 35 At that time the iron, the clay, the copper, the silver, and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a large mountain, and it filled the whole earth."

    • Feet = UN or Anglo American World Powers? Or Both? (USA Iron / UN Clay)
    • Stone = Jesus the chief cornerstone.
    • Stone filled the whole earth - Mount Zion Revelation 14:1

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