Pondering The Increase in Memorial Partakers

by piztjw 4 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  piztjw

  It has been discussed in other threads, but in pondering what the real reason for the increase in partakers is I have a personal theory.

  This theory would naturally have to be based on ones actually believing the Bible, and not just simply what the WT&T$ dictates that one must believe.

  When Jesus made a covenent with the apostles at the Last Supper to rule with him in heaven, is it possible that that covenent was with them ONLY? JW's will say that it also extended to all the rest of the 144,000. But nowhere is there a LlITERAL claim of only 144,000 in the Bible. In Revelation, a book that JW's claim is filled with symbolism, that number is suddenly claimed by them to be literal. Going back to Jesus words, in John 10: 16 he said "...I have OTHER SHEEP which are not of this fold (his apostles whom he was speaking to), those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become ONE FLOCK, one shepherd."

  In Haggai 2: 7 it says, "And I will rock all the nations, and the DESIRABLE THINGS of all the nations must come in...". The WT&T$ claims that "other sheep" and "great crowd" are just different groups of the same class of people, at different points in time. Kind of like their past claims about the meaning of generations. They claim that those desirable things are the ones who won't be going to heaven. But, could it be, is it possible, that the desirable things of the nations are the "other sheep", and are in reality ones who Jesus has chosen to be in heaven? Is it possible that the "other sheep" and the "great crowd" are in reality two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT groups?

  If that were to be the case it would explain why the numbers are steadily increasing over the past few years. More are being chosen to be in heaven as part of those "other sheep" who will be part of Jesus' one flock. They are not "mentally unstable" or any of the other accusations made by the WT&T$ to try to keep the door closed to any except themselves. The "great crowd" could still be those who have no desire to fly around heaven, but rather believe that there really might be some sort of "paradise" where people will live in harmony with each other.

  Maybe that will be future NU-LITE?

  Any comments?
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  Legacy

  Hi,

  I was at the meeting Sunday. My study conductor (got baptized, but just finishing up the last book)...I think it was the paragraph of the WT, where it mentioned that we may have noticed some or none partaking of the Bread & Wine, so she started to look up the partakers from the yr books of 2011, 2012 & 2013...she noticed the #'s were going up..I leaned over and said, what's up ? She said the #'s are going up instead of down...Now she was raised in the Truth..she looked concerned...I think TTATT, is starting to sink in...but me, I'm not saying anything. I'm just observing. This is my take on the 144,000, first of all they are undefiled by women, so that leads me to believe they are men & never married or had sex...how fitting don't you think ? That means they won't be tempted, just like the Eunuchs. If they are to be ruling with Jesus, wasn't he not defiled by women ? Don't know where that word defiled came from but that says to me, that having sex with a woman, even if it's your wife, you have been defiled....they consider sex defiling...Here is the scripture that supports: Rev.14: And they are singing what seems to be a new song+ before the throne and before the four living creatures+ and the elders,+ and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000,+ who have been bought from the earth. 4 These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins.+ These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. So do you think that the any of the annointed that are married, will be a part of the 144,000? So to even think that a JW would be a part of that crowd...NOT...& the Org. also added a woman, than to support affirmative action, now they have black man. I think the catholic nuns have a better chance at being part of the 144,000. I will start with this...if you wish to continue, I'll wait for your reply. But I really wanted to break down the meaning of the 144,000 before we even go into why the #'s are going up.

  Legacy
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  Separation of Powers

  Delusion perhaps?
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  A.proclaimer

  my guess is that the increase could be due to the fact that it's been 100 years since 1914, people might think the end is really close. Something similar happened for 1975, though it wasnt as constantly growing as it has been today. The best thing to do is to wait and see what the numbers will be after 2014, it might drop in the folowwing years or continue increasing.
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  DATA-DOG

  I wish I knew. If you want to follow the Bible then we are all God's children. Jesus said there were many abodes in the heavens. So, maybe we will go where GOD want us to go and we will be happy? One thing is for sure, the WTBTS is not "THE TRUTH."

  DD