Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

by greenhornet 109 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    "Comfort for the Jews" by Joseph Franklin Rutherford on Archive.org.

    Thanks Kaik , I did read the majority of the book

    The book is dated October of 1925 just a few years before Hitler's come to power and his Nazi antisementic ideologies. If Russell was pro Zionist and he used the movement to fulfill or support the second coming or return of Christ it was mostly likely the reason Rutherford also supported that position and you can see that in the writings of his book.

    This is the last page of the book ...

  • kaik
    kaik

    Thanks OrphanCrow for a clarification, I haven't considered dual covenant doctrine, but it make sense. During the evangelical movement of the 1900s, the perception of Jews and Judaism was much different than in interwar period with the rise of totalitarian movements. Russell would be affected by the fundamentalist pro-Zionist Christianity that was defined around his lifetime, while Rutherford would shift toward anti-Jewish policy after 1925. It is hard to justify Jerusalem to be the future seat of Jesus kingdom with WT building mansion in San Diego.

    Welcome Finkelstein, I only read some chapters of it. Some Rutherford ideas showed lack of knowledge of Jewish faith, culture, and religion. Average scholar with university degree would write such nonsense as he did in that book. He failed to understand why Jews do not accept Jesus, he did not know that Jews do not believe in Original Sin, and Jesus redemption does not make whatsoever sense in Judaism.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    Kaik, a good source for the Charles Russell's dual covenant and his link to Zionism, and Rutherford's subsequent shift to a far different doctrine with the JW religion, can be found here:

    http://www.agsconsulting.com/articles/zionists.htm

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    In the last part of his book it seemed that he thought at the time the Jews weren't qualified and as of yet righteously justified to receive Gods blessing and the reestablishment of their land or stated identity.

    The last two pages of the book clarifies things from his perspective.



  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Thanks for the info OrphanCrow interesting stuff

    http://www.agsconsulting.com/articles/zionists.htm

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    Fascinating stuff, thank you.

    I would only add two tidbits: I have the book "The Nurenberg Interviews" and the two references found there by SS officers about Jehovah's Witneses are very favorable. The only complaint really made there was the fact that they were "pacifists" - meaning, they refused to serve the armed forces.

    Also, one thing that I have always wondered. In several publications, it is mentioned an episode where Hitler receives a letter from Rutherford where he threats that Jehovah will destroy the Reich, and Hitler explodes in rage and swears something like "This race shall be exterminated from Germany". I always wondered: Who witnessed this? Where is this account taken from? Or it it all just made-up stuff?

    Eden

  • lrkr
    lrkr

    Thank you for this. As usual there is so much more than the tales we've been told.

    Any idea what the symbolism of the purple triangle is about?

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow
    Eden: Also, one thing that I have always wondered. In several publications, it is mentioned an episode where Hitler receives a letter from Rutherford where he threats that Jehovah will destroy the Reich, and Hitler explodes in rage and swears something like "This race shall be exterminated from Germany". I always wondered: Who witnessed this? Where is this account taken from? Or it it all just made-up stuff?

    The alleged quote from Hitler has been reported to have occurred after the "letter to Hitler" was sent. You can find the letter quite easily in various places - it was called the "Declaration of Facts". When the letter didn't get the WTS' printing presses released, Rutherford responded with a huge leaflet campaign that resulted in many arrests. It was after that leaflet retaliation that it was reported that Hitler "flew into a rage" and uttered the quote that has been reported in different forms since then.

    Jehovah‘s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose reports the incident:

    ...Karl R.A. Wittig, a plenipotentiary of General Ludendorff, deposed in an affidavit sworn 13 November 1945:
    "On October 7, 1934, having been previously summoned, I visited Dr. Wilhelm Frick, at that time Minister of the Interior of the Reich and Prussia, in his home office of the Reich. . . . During my discussion with Dr. Frick, Hitler suddenly appeared and began taking part in the conversation. . . . Dr. Frick showed Hitler a number of telegrams protesting against the Third Reich’s persecution of the Bible Students, saying: ”If the Bible Students do not immediately get in line we will act against them using the strongest means.”
    After which Hitler jumped to his feet and with clenched fists hysterically screamed: ’This brood will be exterminated in Germany!” Four years after this discussion I was able, by my own observations, to convince myself, during my seven years in protective custody in the hell of the Nazi concentration camps at Sachsenhausen, Flossenburg and Mauthausen-I was in prison until released by the Allies-that Hitler’s outburst of anger was not just an idle threat. No other group of prisoners of the named concentration camps was exposed to the sadism of the SS-soldiery in such a fashion as the Bible Students were. It was a sadism marked by an unending chain of physical and mental tortures, the likes of which no language in the world can express."

    The above account claims that Karl Wittig deposed his affidavit in November 1945.

    However, in 1938, Rutherford, in Face The Facts, said that the following was Hitler's response:

    These so-called “Earnest Bible Students” are trouble-makers; they disturb the harmonious life amongst the Germans; I consider them quacks; I do not tolerate that the German Catholics be besmirched in such a manner by this American “Judge” Rutherford; I dissolve the “Earnest Bible Students” in Germany; their property I dedicate to the people’s welfare; I will have all their literature confiscated.”

    Hitler's words have also been reported as being:

    "I will exterminate the Earnest Bible Students" or "I will exterminate this brood!".

    It appears like the quote was originally printed in Watchtower literature, and has been used extensively since then. The quote pops up in various places, and it is difficult to find the original source...I think the original source was Rutherford. Wittig's affidavit was sworn years after Rutherford and others had already said it.

    Irkr: Thank you for this. As usual there is so much more than the tales we've been told.
    Any idea what the symbolism of the purple triangle is about?

    There is always more to every story. Following the history of events during and after WW2 is interesting, especially when examining documentation that has been released since the 50 year moratorium passed in 1995 that was placed on certain classified information pertaining to the war.

    The purple triangles were assigned 1937/8. Hans Hesse, on pg 72 of Persecution and Resistance of Jehovah's Witnesses During the Nazi Regime tells us that the Purple Triangle designated the following prisoner groups:

    - Bible Students
    - Seventh Day Adventists
    - Baptists
    - pacifists
    - possibly New Apostolic community

    I have read elsewhere that some Catholic prisoners also wore the purple triangle. The category was not exclusive to the Bible Students.

    If a Bible Student was also a Jew, they were required to wear a yellow badge in addition to the purple triangle.

    By the end of the war, there were many imprisoned JWs who were not required to wear the purple triangle. They were working on estates and elsewhere that allowed them to wear regular clothing instead of camp uniforms, and they were considered "partially free", having been released on a handshake.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    For anyone interested in the period of time that Rutherford did his flip flop in doctrine just prior to forming the Jehovah's witnesses in 1931, I recommend reading Chapter Xl of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf. A good translation is available for download at:

    https://archive.org/details/MeinKampf_472

    The chapter title is Propaganda and Organization and in it, Hitler details the strategies he employed, and the philosophies behind, building a strong power base and Hitler shares how he built the Nationalist Socialist Party through the use of propaganda and organizational structure.

    I had made the statement earlier that I had no doubt that Rutherford had read Mein kampf at the time the book was released in 1925, and it is creepy how much the actions of Rutherford and the WTS - the late 20s downsizing, and the re-organization of the WTS religion into the new Jehovah's witnesses - mirrors Hitler's plans and strategies to build the Nazi party and thereby, have control of the Nazi State.

    Rutherford re-organized the Jehovah's Witnesses into an organization based upon Adolf Hitler's model of power.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The Totalitarian regime of Hitlers Nazism and the Totalitarian regime of Rutherford's Watchtower Corporation. I can see similarities in the power structured framework, in formation of a Pyramid from the top down.

    The CO's, DO's, and Elders work to support the dictating headship of the regime, who was non other that Rutherford himself. They are essentially the Gestapo or enforcers watching over everyone for their compliance/capitulation toward the regime.

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