Near Accident at the Ohio Nuclear Plant

by VM44 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • VM44
    VM44

    Since Amazing has posted some articles about nuclear plant safety,
    I thought it would be important to bring attention to this article.
    --VM44

    Heard About the Near-Accident at the Ohio Nuclear Plant? I'm Not Surprised
    By Victor Gilinsky

    Sunday, April 28, 2002; Page B01
    You wouldn't know it from the bland pronouncements of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), but the U.S. nuclear industry just had its closest brush with disaster since the 1979 Three Mile Island accident. The Davis-Besse nuclear power plant, located about 30 miles east of Toledo, Ohio, was operating with a rust hole in the top of its reactor pressure vessel -- a hole wide and deep enough to put your fist into. All that was left to contain the reactor's highly pressurized supply of cooling water around the reactor core was a three-eighths inch liner of stainless steel, and the liner had started to bulge ominously. If the liner had burst, it would have drained cooling water vital for safety and also threatened the reactor's emergency shutdown system.

    The rest of the article may be read at:
    [ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57994-2002Apr27.html
    ]

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    I will read the link. But I find such a claim suspect. If the claim is true, then it could become what is called a L.O.C.A (Loss of Collant Accident.) No big deal ... no disaster ... the plant is disgned for that ... that was my speciality in destructive testing and research ... the operators would simply drop rods and shut down the reactor ... and the safety trains would flood it faster than and pressure leak you mention. -

    Edited to add PS: I read the entire article. This deserves an entire post to deal with the bivine excrement that Gilinsky vomits out of his diraea mouth. He wants his 15 minutes of fame by sensationalizing an issue that is not that serious.

    Yes, the plant need to be shut down and repairs needed, or possible decommission the plant because the reactor vessel may not be repairable ...

    I am not saying that the rust issue is not serious, but the fearful consequences are sensationalized. For example, if Gilinsky was really on the ball, he would have seen a much more obvious problem and been willing to say something ... but as usual NRC Commissioners are not good experts. They are usually consultants hired, who write nice papers, but have not really worked with the design, construction, and operation of these plants ... enough ad hominem on my part ...

    I will make a new post and provide a detailed rebuttal.

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    A "near" accident? So they found a problem and fixed it - routine maintenance stuff - shock horror!

  • D8TA
    D8TA

    Does anyone REMEMBER the article in NOVA about the first successful FUSION reaction...it was about a decade ago. Then, about 5 years ago there was an article on the first FUSION reactor that was built and was successful?

    I'm studying cultural anthropology...this stuff is way outta my league and field of knowledge. In other words, I really don't know diddly about it, in an intimate sense. But, I remember the article mentioning that FUSION has no inherent dangers, opposed to Nuclear Fission. Fusion creates greater power output, and is by far a lot safer. From what I recall.

    Crap....now I have to go on an info hunt. But if anyone has better knowledge on the FUSION stuff, please post it.

    D8TA

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    IIRC, fusion is still not a viable source of energy. And fission has gotten a bad rap over the years, undeservedly so. You might check out this site for a more balanced look:
    http://www.saveguard.co.nz/atomic

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    They said for years that fusion power plants would be operational within ten to twenty years. As those ten to twenty years have gone by several times (sound familiar anyone?), they've stopped saying it.

    The problem with fusion reactions, is that here on Earth we need to make it far hotter than the inside of the sun to make the same reactions occur, as we are not in the middle of a star with fantastically high levels of pressure that allow fusion to take place at a lower temperature (think pressure cookers).

    We are talking hot enough to melt anything... so they have to contain the plasma in magnetic fields, in a big ring-donut piece of kit called a tokomak I think.

    At the moment, initiating a fusion reaction takes more energy than can be got out of it, because of the need for such super high temperatures and because of the very very strong magnetic fields that need to be generated. The equipment isn't good enough, yet, to sustain the magnetic containment long enough to make it past the 'break even point' in terms of ebnergy in vs. energy out.

    Once you did achieve self-sustaining fusion reactions you could get energy from, essentailly you have solved a lot of problems in terms of power. A powerplant would need shielding, but other than the shielding becoming radioactive over time (from memory), there are no nasty problems with radioactive spent fuel, as the spent fuel is helium, which might make your voice squeaky if you inhale it, but is otherwise a nice unreactive gas. And if it went wrong, just venting the plasma would induce an instant shutdown.

    Although fission power has received a bad press, what is often ignored is that it is actually better for the environment than anything short of hydroelectics, solar power, geothermal power and wind power. In fact, if you take into account the environmental damage done by many hydroeletric projects (making huge dams and flooding valleys), and the size of the arrays needed for wind turbines and solar power cells, there's a strong case for saying that fission power is only beaten by geothermal and sea-based hydroelectric and wind power projects in terms of environmental impact PROVIDED NOTHING GOES WRONG.

    When something goes wrong, fission power stations are potentially very environmetally damaging. However, in a accident free life-time, a coal powered power station, for example, releases far more radioisotopes into the atmosphere than a nuclear power station.

    It is possible that fusion is a blind alley, and that quantum energy generation (zero-point energy) will actually be practical before fusion power, but it's still not known if quantum energy generation is actually anything other than an intrieguing possibility.

  • larc
    larc

    Amazing,

    I was wondering if it would be useful to send a technical reply/rebuttal to both the newspaper and the government agency. Such an analysis on your part would be a great public service on your part, I think. Also, such visiblility on your part could lead to some high paid consulting work for you.

    It is nice when both intrinsic (public service) and extrinsic (big bucks) motivation can be combined.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Larc: I will post a commentary on this article. I could easily send a letter to the NRC or the media, however, it is really the best if Davis Besse plant owners and operators make their own statements. I will explain the reasons for this in my commentary. I can say now that what gets reported to the media, and then what gets quoted and eventually reported in the news can be substantially different than the facts.

    I recall similarly when Torjan Nuclear Plant was given a big $200,000 fine, of which $15,000-$25,000 involved my department. I fought with senior management and the Vice President of Nuclear to get that portion removed because, in fact, the allegations were false, and did not exist in any form. The owners decided to just pay the fine and move on.

    The NRC officials (not the local NRC site assigned inspector) will broadcast these issues in oral and written statements, and yet not realize all the facts that engineers and operators are aware of.

    What often gets reported to the media is either miunderstood or greatly embellished. Unfortunately, not all the really juicy damning stuff never makes it out because the truly serious stuff gets properly corrected as it should.

    The media get often "tips" from plant workers who know half the story, and somehow some of the really bad events seem to excape these tipsters.

  • VM44
    VM44

    Amazing, your comments about that article will be interesting
    and important, I will look forward to reading it.

    and....Happy 10th Year Exit Anniversity! :-)

    --VM44

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