What I wish I knew.

by sleepy 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • sleepy

    Well there are lots of things I wish I knew.

    But one thing I would like to know, but probably never will is ,were C.T.Russell, Rutherford , Knorr , Franzetc Con men , genuinely mistaken or gone in the head?
    Maybe some of the leaders have been con men and some not.

  • SYN

    I'd say a combination of the above.

    Seven006: "Have you tried drugs? Shooting up a little heroin might do the trick, it's hard to type when your stoned out of your mind. I don't know how TR does it!"

  • one

    most likely the were untentionally deluded "victim of victim",

    most likely they found out later-on and did nothing about it.

    All of them died right after a big fiasco, wrong dates.

  • Amazing

    CT Russell: I think he started out sincere, feeling her really had stumbled onto something important and unique, but with time, he became an eccentric, full of himself. I think most of his close associates were equally sincere but misled.

    JF Rutherford: I believe he was a mean, greedy, self-deluded con artist. He ruined whatever good that Russell may have done.

    Knorr: A sincere business man.

    Fred Franz: Much like Russell, I think he was sincere and yet felt he had been given special insight.

    Current Governing Body: I understand that Jaracz is much like Rutherford ... but the rest are likely sincere ... but more than just misguided ... they have reached a point where they have no excuse left for their teachings and policies ... and they simply have not come to terms with the serious position they hold, and the concometant responsibility to truth. Dan Sidlik is of any member, in my opinion, the one most likely to reach cognitive dissonance, and resign.

    All in all, I think the bigger problem is more than any level of con artistry, but more to do with a hard heart and too much faith in a system they created.

  • sleepy

    Doen't Ray Franz mention in one of his books something about Bro. Swingle having doubts?
    Is he still alive?

    Amazing.From what I've read about themI would say my thoughts are quite similiar on these men.I not quite sure that Russel was genuine though, didn't he come from a buiness minded family, I wonder if he knew there was good money to be made in religion?
    But without ever being there , or meeting any of them ,I suposse its hard to discern the true motives.

  • TexSham

    the blind leading the blind

  • teejay

    But one thing I would like to know, but probably never will is ,were C.T.Russell, Rutherford , Knorr , Franzetc Con men , genuinely mistaken or gone in the head?

    It’s been a while since I thought about those jokers, but for what it’s worth, here’s my view on them the last time I checked:

    C.T.Russell – sincere but very misguided; egocentric; probably the most “godly” (ever) of the Society’s elite

    Rutherford – a lawyer, by profession (need I say more?); with his knowledge of how to manipulate events ‘legally’, took advantage of the golden goose he stumbled upon and spent the last three decades of his life driving Caddies; living in a penthouse suite in NY City and a mansion in S. California; drinking booze during prohibition; being fawned over all over the world by idol worshipping sycophants who clung/cling to his every word. Hate to say it, but the most erudite of the lot - knew exactly what he was doing

    Knorr – a clueless company man; gifted to organize; otherwise, a non-thinker; showed signs of homosexuality... not that there's anything wrong w/ that! (Seinfeld)

    Franz – an egomaniac who never married (or had kids) but never missed an opportunity to tell folks how to act in marriage or treat kids

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