"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! 160 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • kaik

    So Jeremy, you created a parallel ministry to fit your religion. You are no the first one! lol. I knew JWs who used to do that in Czechoslovakia 25-30 year ago, where they had parallel structure along the WT and believed that they served Jehovah, while they disagreed with some of the WT BS. As Outlaw had said, you lie to people or you BS people by creating one of the splinter groups that rides on WT backs. In the 1980's there was huge group of JWs who were behind the Iron Curtain and called themselves Children of Jehovah or Witnesses for Jehovah and did not accept Knorr and only used publications from Rutherford. They were located all over the region from Czech Republic to Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, and Romania. Their reasoning was exactly the same as yours.

    SimonSays, I pointed out your hypocrisy so you do not need to confirm your idiocy by using my avatar while babble unrelated topics on pharisees. You clearly said that you worship God for salvation. You want to earn brownie points so you are not punished in Armageddon. Clearly false motive to worship God.


    When the time came for the Circuit Assembly, he underwent the immersion into water, but he did so having never said "Yes" to the two questions asked of the baptism candidates from the platform. This he did at his own insistence, for his own reasons, and under no pressure or influence from me.....Brother Jeramy

    So it`s all a Deceitful Farce....

    Your teaching people to Lie to become WBT$ JW`s,in the name of God and Jesus....LOL!!....

    Your a Jehovah`s Witness in Name Only.....Your not even close to being a Christian..

    You don`t seem the least bit Ashamed of Yourself..


    You like the Power and Prestige the WBT$ Affords,regardless of what you have to do for it..

    You could start your own Corrupt Religious Cult..But..Screwing the WBT$ is Easier..

    Your here to peddle your own Brand of WBT$ BS..

    Your looking for Recruits and to Network with people who don`t mind lying to get what they want..


    The Watchtower deserves you..But..

    You should`nt pray on people who actually Want to be Christians..

    "Decent People" would consider that Despicable..

  • Giordano

    So apparently you are comfortable aiding and abetting a publishing house and real estate holding company which continues to seduce more people, and if those people rebel, not hesitate to destroy the lives of those that want to leave. Good loving Christians that think the WTBTS and JW's are wrong past the point of reason about so many things that they are a laughing stock among anyone with half a brain.

    Is it too far a stretch to think what you would have done if you had been a member of the People's Temple surrounded by that loving family of true believer's? Would you be using the same rational?

    At what point in life do you take a stand and speak honestly knowing that it could cause you to be DFed? Or at the very least stop trying to influence strangers to seriously consider becoming a JW?

    Your reasoning is self serving, it's all about how you stay in a religion that has been reckless and deceptive with it's followers.

  • Alive!

    Bro J - have you also had an alternative baptism since coming to recognise the issues with being baptised to an organisation?

    Do you reject your initial baptism as a member of the JW org?

    Am fascinated.

    So your congregation is divided - what percentage are undercover dissidents and do the remaining witnesses know or suspect there are brothers like yourself operating in the congregation?

  • Giordano

    SimonSays "Remember Raymond Franz, a person you people admire here. Whatever excuse you wish to place on him, he was removed for the right reason, regardless if you agree with it or not."

    That statement is so full of poop that it's embarrassing.

    We admire Ray because he valued truth, at least bible truth over and above WT bullshit.


    On May 21, 1980, Franz was called to a Governing Body session where he was questioned for three hours about his biblical viewpoints and commitment to Watch Tower doctrines.[2][19] Consequently, he agreed to a request to resign from the Governing Body and headquarters staff. Franz refused the Watch Tower Society's offer of a monthly stipend as a member of the "Infirm Special Pioneers".[20] The Governing Body investigation resulted in the disfellowshipping of several other headquarters staff.[21][22][23]

    On September 1, 1980, the Governing Body distributed a letter to all Circuit and District overseers stating that apostates need not be promoting doctrines to be disfellowshipped. The letter stated that individuals who persisted in "believing other doctrine despite scriptural reproof" were also apostatizing and therefore warranted "appropriate judicial action".[18][24]

    On March 18, 1981 Franz' employer in Alabama submitted a letter of disassociation from Jehovah's Witnesses. The September 15, 1981 issue of The Watchtower announced a change of policy on disassociation, directing that those who formally withdrew from the religion were to be shunned by Witnesses in the same manner as those who have been disfellowshipped.[25] Franz, who continued to socialize with his employer, was summoned to a judicial hearing on November 25 and disfellowshipped for disobeying the edict.[2][26][27] Determined to present his point of view, not only with respect to his having been disfellowshipped, but with respect to broader doctrinal issues, in 1982 he sent Heather and Gary Botting proofs of his book Crisis of Conscience so that they could chronicle the more widespread discord within the Watch Tower Society.[28] They wrote regarding Franz' contribution to their exposé on the Witnesses that his recommendations "undoubtedly strengthened the veracity of the text; we were impressed by his insistence on both fairness and frankness with respect to representing the view of the Watch Tower Society."29

  • SimonSays

    Behind the iron curtain. Brings back memories when Nathan Knorr was a speaker there and he along with 700 hundred people were arrested because the Catholic Church did not wish the Jehovah’s Witnesses to gather, similar to what happened in Argentina with the Buddhist. I can’t recall if it was 1945 or 1949. As told by G. Henschel

    Some things don’t change as the Jews attempted to stop the Jw’s in Israel a month or so ago. Yes other religions fair so much better as humans to sanctify Gods works.

    I wonder what type of idiocentricities on not to think about literature behind the iron curtain with fascism and government control. What did they call that propaganda? I love an intellectual conversation.


    Behind the iron curtain. Brings back memories when Nathan Knorr was a speaker there..SimonSays

    Yes It Does!..

    Nathon Knorr couldn`t leave the USA without a Passport..

    You can`t get a USA Passport with out Pledging Allegiance to the USA..

    The WBT$ has a Legacy,of Despicable/Hypocritical Leaders..


  • blondie

    *** w93 1/15 p. 27 par. 10 Guard Against Idolatry of Every Sort ***

    Entering the temple, Ezekiel reports: “Look! there was every representation of creeping things and loathsome beasts, and all the dungy idols of the house of Israel, the carving being upon the wall all round about. And seventy men of the elderly ones of the house of Israel . . . were standing before them, each one with his censer in his hand, and the perfume of the cloud of the incense was ascending.” Just think! Israelite elders in Jehovah’s temple, offering up incense to false gods, represented by detestable wall carvings. (Ezekiel 8:10-12)

    *** w93 1/15 p. 28 pars. 11-12 Guard Against Idolatry of Every Sort ***

    At the entrance of the gate of Jehovah’s house, Ezekiel saw apostate Israelite women weeping over Tammuz. (Ezekiel 8:13, 14) Babylonians and Syrians viewed Tammuz as the god of vegetation that grows in the rainy season and dies during the dry period. Its death pictured that of Tammuz, annually bewailed by his worshipers at the time of the greatest heat. With the reappearance of vegetation during the rainy season, Tammuz supposedly returned from the underworld. He was represented by the first letter of his name, the ancient tau that was a form of the cross. This may well remind us of Christendom’s idolatrous reverence for the cross.

    12 In the temple’s inner courtyard, Ezekiel next saw 25 apostate Israelite men worshiping the sun—a violation of Jehovah’s command against such idolatry. (Deuteronomy 4:15-19) Those idolaters also held out to God’s nose an obscene twig, perhaps representing the human male organ. No wonder God would not answer their prayers, even as Christendom will seek his help during the “great tribulation,” but in vain. (Matthew 24:21) As those apostate Israelites worshiped the light-giving sun with their backs to Jehovah’s temple, so Christendom turns her back on light from God, teaches false doctrines, idolizes worldly wisdom, and winks at immorality.—Ezekiel 8:15-18.


    When I finally realized that there was a time when the cruel unscriptural sins would not be looked over by God among the Israelites, or Christians. Then I made no excuses for their imperfections anymore that worshiping idols, or burning one's children.

  • SimonSays

    Oh! I get it; Knorr was a Hypocrite for fulfilling a legal requirement to travel back then. So because he was a witness, Mark 12:17 didn’t apply. So what your saying is Clergy need to be like you, OUTLAWS. So any Clergy that travel are Despicable/Hypocritical Leaders regardless of having to satisfy any legal requirements. Well can’t argue with that philosophy thanks for clearing that up.

  • steve2
    Special pleading, Brother Jeramy. "The family of Jehovah's Witnesses" has never existed as a spiritual family, given that it was named/invented by the ruthless Rutherford in 1931.

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