SIGNALS NON signals NOISE and probability = truth

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  • Terry
    Terry

    Christianity consists of many denominations under a single heading of "Christian" (i.e. belief in Jesus as the model of behavior consistent with humanity's escape from death. aka: Grace or salvation.)

    Within the heading of Christian belief there are dissonances or differences which we will call "noise".

    The amount of noise is unknown compared to an ideal or original message signal from God.

    Since all Christians base their belief on a fixed prior (existence of the bible)and that is the STANDARD by which harmony is measured, how can the amount of "noise" be determined which is the corruption of the message when compared to the accuracy of belief?

    A SIGNAL is transmitted which we will call S (The message of God is the SIGNAL as contained in the bible.)

    A MESSAGE is received which we will call R (Beliefs of each denomination based on their reading of the bible.)

    If we know the message (S) and we know the content received (R) (original content compared to received content) we can analyze any differences and label the difference i.e. NOISE which we will call (N) (determine amount of error.)

    Here is the model of our system of communication: S----->(N)----->R

    To determine how much noise entered our communication system we would subtract R-S = N The difference is obtained and NOISE is quantified. (How much corruption in the message is attached to belief.)

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    PROBLEM: We can't know what we DON'T know. We would first have to know the original "message" to determine the noise. What then?

    What if we don't actually know if the signal we received is even a MESSAGE or not? (i.e. What if no God transmitted a message?)

    What if it is all noise? (What if humans only believed they had god's message but were wrong?)

    But, it may be a message corrupted by noise? (Errors of corruption changed the content of the message) ___________________________________________________________________________________

    How do we model our inferences?

    We have three types of possible message NOISE

    1. No message ever actually given by an existing god/ no message ever given by a non-existing god

    2. Actual message given by existing god / actual message given by men who only thought it was from god, but, message was somehow corrupted.

    3. An actual message was given but never by means of men or by oral teaching or writing, i.e. "other" ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    What data can be assembled and quantified for each of the above and what is the probability of error in identification? _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    After each data set is gathered and analyzed what will the result look like?

    1. A lack of coherence and consistency resulting in contradictory messaging will indicate a NON-MESSAGE

    2. Quality of results from a divine message (even though partially corrupted) will necessarily be greater than results from non-divine source as evidenced by the impact on the believers within each group AS COMPARED WITH any OTHER belief system. i.e. Christians with an actually divine message will fare better than all other methods of living.

    3.The singularity of results (miraculous)otherwise received (non oral, written) will create an obvious differential with all other religious claimants' results QUANTIFIABLY.

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    NOTE: Non-quantifiable "claims" are not treated as either data or results.

    Conclusion: A. Even an inferior message from a living God will outperform any other counterfeit transmission. The proof of this outperformance will be quantified, detectable and beyond disputations.

    B. The inferiority of a message from a non-deity source will be only as successful as human philosophy. Without a significant observable, quantifiable DIFFERENCE between A and B no divine origins can be attributable.

    Since all transmission of all messages from all true gods and all messages from mere men who "think" they received messages from true gods will each be subject to the same possible noise it is the COMPARISON of outcome which determines.

    Example: If medicine A makes claims of cure and medicine B makes claims of cure but placebo C produces the same results

    then there is no quaitifiable statistical proof that either A or B is superior in any way to C.

    For either A or B to actually be effective there MUST BE QUANTIFIABLE STATISTICS (i.e. evidence) supporting their claims.

    Question: Comparing all religions and claims by those religions can it be said religious people ACTUALLY are quantifiably better off than

    non religious persons? How would we measure? What data can you offer either way? What do you conclude and why?

  • Terry
    Terry

    Jehovah's Witnesses make claims for what they call THE TRUTH.

    Within the subset of all their history of teachings we can label T let us examine and scrutinize for noise.

    T---------(N)----------R (Teachings..........Noise.........Outcome)

    1.The subset of (T ) teachings which have deliberately changed (i.e. New Light) yield to observable results:

    A. original teaching cannot have been true because it changed. (Why change what was already true?)

    B. new version of teaching may be true unless subjected to another alteration.

    C. All teachings which have changed bring NOISE into the claims of Truth. (changes indicate corruption in transmission)

    T may well be the actual N (teachings may start out as noise)

    A statistical analysis of ALL predicted outcomes which did NOT yield the results predicted must be considered as NOISE.

    A. Dates set with events attached which yielded bad results

    B. Claims of divine transmission for dates which yielded bad results

    C. Claims of authorization to publish as "true" dates which yielded bad results.

    (A message which produces identical results with Noise must itself BE noise)

    A comparison of all teachings which have demonstrated superior methodology (good outcomes) must be statistically analyzed as well.

    A. Claims that germs don't cause disease

    B. Claims that inoculations don't prevent infections--------------------- < << << <<<<ALL ARE EITHER T/F true or false

    C. Claims that aluminum cookware is poisonous

    The presence of statistically significant NOISE (i.e. corruption) serves as disconfirmation of claims of Divine authority (channel of communication) and source of teaching (i.e. God sending uncorrupt message)

    The only alternate identification of MESSAGES yielding corrupt results i.e. NOISE must then be:

    1.malevolent god trying to trick true christian channel of communication with whimsical messages

    2.malevolent christians willfully changing true messages

    3.unwitting christians self-deceived as to origin and content of corrupt messages

    4.false claims of truth and false claims of authorization due to hidden agenda

    What is the most statistically probable conclusion?

    T-----------disproof-----------confirmation of T =Noise

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    If the rooted foundation of the creation of all deities including YHWH comes from mankind's ignorance of himself and the

    world of which he lives through imaginative purpose, history has shown that those established beliefs were in most

    part detriment to improving the human existence for humanity ..... human ignorance = God(s) = Truth

  • Terry
    Terry

    Ignorance of God's Truth should never be expected to end up yielding the same result as NO truth.

    Yet, consistently inconsistent, it does.

    No superior demonstrations exist which corroborate claims of Divine information being statistically better.

    Either actual "divine" information is mundane or the claim is false at the outset.

    Jehovah's Witnesses make claims which prove false. How can that be proof of anything but corrupt identification?

    If JW's actually channel the false information given them by Jehovah, then, Jehovah is corrupt.

    If JW's only CLAIM to be channeling TRUE information which turns out to be false, then, THEY are corrupt.

    Which is it?

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Gods get created and imagined by men for a purpose within themselves, so do men who want to create their own self

    authoritative power from a previously created god of somone elses creation.

    As it can seen by the WTS. those men were selling their own power and identity of the true faithful followers of that

    god but in reality their were disingenuous corrupt men selling literature with little if any truth written, other than attracting

    the publics attention.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Disingenuous is a charitable term.

    At a certain point, I believe, each JW suddenly "sees" it is all a lie. What comes NEXT depends on personal character and intellectual honesty.

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