Genesis and meat eating?

by Marvin Shilmer 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Genesis and meat eating?

    Today I added a new article to my blog sharing research that hardly any of Jehovah’s Witnesses is aware of yet much impinges the Watchtower organization’s doctrinal prohibition of blood transfusion.

    A great deal of time and expense went into collecting and constructing this research and hopefully concerned folks will make good use of it.

    My article is titled Genesis and meat eating? and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/genesis-and-meat-eating.html

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

  • blondie
    blondie

    I found this related QFR the other day. I remember jws being told they would not eat meat after Armaggedon. I note that the WTS merely surmises, guesses. I always wondered why Abel felt he could kill animals for sacrifice and how he knew what God requires since the pre-bible account says nothing.

    *** w51 2/1 p. 95 Questions From Readers ***

    Concerning the eating of animal flesh after Armageddon, would not that be determined by the everlasting covenant Jehovah made with Noah after the Flood, rather than by the edict given to Adam in Eden?—C. N., Texas.

    If man does eat flesh after Armageddon, the terms of the Noachian covenant will apply. Its regulations regarding the disposal of the blood of animals killed for food will last as long as the practice of eating such flesh lasts. In considering a related question in this section in its issue of October 15, 1950, The Watchtower said concerning animals in the new world: “It appears that men will not kill them for food.” The statement is not dogmatic, but goes on to show that it is reasonable to expect Jehovah’s original purpose relative to food supply, as given in Eden before man’s fall, will be ultimately realized in the new world.—Gen. 1:29, 30, AT.

    The covenant with Noah allowing animal food merely made provision for extra food, highly concentrated, for deteriorating mankind. This provision also made way for post-Flood sacrifices to be made of which the sacrificers could eat part of the flesh, such as the Passover lamb and other sacrifices in Israel. It also laid the foundation for Jesus to speak about his followers’ eating his flesh and drinking his blood, to gain life in themselves. But such provisions were not originally made for the perfect man and woman, and there would appear no absolute need for mankind uplifted to perfection to include animal flesh in his diet. Just how soon after Armageddon any elimination of meat from man’s diet might take place we cannot say.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    But I like meat :(

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    Blondie,

    Thanks for sharing the material from Watchtower’s 1951 volume.

    That article is loaded with some of the most foolish tripe I’ve ever read.

    Back in those days Fred Franz was digging for any piece of lunacy he could concoct to further all the myth he constructed of and around the simply stated text of Genesis 9.

    Marvin Shilmer

  • rip van winkle
    rip van winkle

    Marvin Shilmer, Thank you for all your efforts! Your blog answered a lot of my questions and helped to wake me up!

    Marked for later.

  • prologos
    prologos

    blondi, this fabulous fabel leaves many questions about the diet; why would God allow and go along with this experimentation on worship? Does it mean that we have great leaway? as we obviously have to do research rather than revelation in all fields of knowledge? Why would god favor, on other than prophetic grounds, the offering of discarded meat unfit for human consumption? did Abel kill, or was this carcasses left after natural animal death and skinning? petfood? since "domestic" animals were present in/outside Eden. Why were Cain's vegetables not a worthy offering, since it was sweaty and hard work to grow crops in the cursed ground? since sheep could it weeds? no wonder Cain was mad. thank you. offtopic message: any wt references to "Col 1:13 kingdom" dicussion?

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Like I said times before , the WTS image of paradise ain't for me

    I don't want no pet fish called Nemo, I'll throw his ass in a pot a hot oil

    and serve 'em up wit hush puppies and slaw

    Wilber the pig won't have a chance in paradise. Once folk smell that ham

    I'm cookin' , God won't give us a thousand years to sift through the sheep

    won't be no need

    Everybody walkin' out my house wit a ham sandwich will be destroyed

    .

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    By request,

    Direct links to selected material referenced in the article above:

    - Babylonian Talmud available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/babylonian-talmud-zebahim-116a.html

    - John Calvin available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/john-calvin-on-genesis-9.html

    - Samuel Bochart available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/samuel-bochart-on-eating-meat.html

    - Donald MacDonald available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/donald-macdonald-on-eating-meat.html

    - John Quarry available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/john-quarry-on-eating-meat.html

    - Spence and Exell available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/spence-and-exell-on-eating-meat.html

    - Charles Ellicott available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/12/charles-ellicott-on-eating-meat.html

    There is translation work in at least two of the above that is not available anywhere else online. I think it’s in the Calvin and Bochart sources.

    Marvin Shilmer

    PS: I got confused with some other translation work I had done. The original translation work in the above sources is only of Bochart's material.

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