The Death of Ancient Prophets

by sabastious 9 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    What if you had information about future events in the world before they happened? What if you knew that something big was going to happen in the year 1914? What could you do with that information? All my life growing up I knew that the Watchtower was a prophet of God because they predicted the cataclysmic events of 1914. Before the date they were giving specifics about what was going to happen and when something DID happen in 1914 they patted themselves on the back for a job well done. For even if they got the specifics totally wrong, they still predicted a world altering event as did others at that time which they shook hands with. For some reason there were people who seemed to have a faint awareness of the gravity of the events that would take place in that particular year. One could say that they had so much faith in that particular year that they made sure to find "confirmation" within the pages of our ancient texts.

    Consider the occupation of the Firefighter. Their entire job market centers around the existence of random acts of terror. Suppose one day that someone discovered we can end all fires once and for all without ecological harm? Likely most of the firefighters would start looking to transform their lives as their livelihoods were being forecasted as nonexistent in the very near future. However, there would also be a small percentage of firefighters, sociopathic most likely, that would approach the problem very differently. Instead of understanding that a world without uncontrolled fire is good, they would instead see a threat to their very existence. They would take every means necessary to continue the existence of fires even to the point of undermining whatever it is that is challenging them in the first place.

    To postpone the future indefinitely they would really have to be the first to discover that their livelihood was at risk. They would then have to cover up the foundational pieces of information that lead to that discovery. Then they would have to develop a highly sophisticated lie that they could then sell to the public. It would even serve their purposes to develop propaganda that would demonize anything that could possibly lead in the direction of the truth which includes their figurative death. Eventually this lie would become impossible to cover up and exposure would lead to the end of the structure holding back the truth that firefighters are not required.

    When I postulate such a phenomenon with the Watchtower Society their actions seem to make more sense to me. Prophecy was something that was widely accepted in ancient times. Today the way we look at prophets is very different and you could easily say that prophecy in general is passing away.

    Can you imagine the satisfaction of life knowing that there are people who can tell the future for you? It could literally smite any worry you had about the world which is exactly how Watchtower adherents live their lives. "Got cancer? That's prophesied to be gone! It's almost like NOT HAVING CANCER!"

    If you think about this explanation it works very well for an ancient population. You were given comfort as a parent because your child had a conceivably less chance of being subject to the same woes you faced. You wouldn't even consider that a lie because thousands of years later we are not facing the same woes, so in a way they were right all those years ago. Which is much like putting out emotional fires in times of deep despair. Their sages peered into the future with high intuition and were able to grasp to the hope they were incapable of logically putting together. What that did was give them the motivation to teach their messages of hope which are always in the midst of social and military collapse.

    In our day in age we have Science which offers many, if not all, of the benefits of the ancient prophet. Instead of a mish mash of skills as the ancient Prophet's had, now we have skilled specialists. We have meteorologists, psychologists, economists, physics, mathematicians and many other variant specialized scientific fields all challenge the might of the ancient prophet. What this effectively does is snuffs out the modern day prophet by putting them in a game over their own existence. Which is why religions that rely on Prophets have fared so badly since the era of the Great Disappointment.

    What we have today is a shadow of the majesty that was organized religion. Today the field is largely run by criminals and the pathologically insane. These are the ones that grasp onto their own selfishness until their bitter end, an end that should not be pitied. Most people have the sense to leave what is passing away before them, whereas others just seem to harden into wickedness and go down with the ship.

    -Sab

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    What we have today is a shadow of the majesty that was organized religion. Today the field is largely run by criminals and the pathologically insane. These are the ones that grasp onto their own selfishness until their bitter end, and end that should not be pitied.

    This may shock you, but I agree with that....

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    This may shock you, but I agree with that....

    I am not totally shocked, but I do find it curious that you would ever think ancient organized religion as majestical at all. You seem to mainly focus on the terror that they brought to the world, rather than dignify their memory. Which is understandable since we are all faced with the needless horror caused by the "fires" they purposefully started to keep themselves employed. Was religion always evil or do you see a point where they turned?

    -Sab

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Who said its evil? That's religious-based hyperbolic thinking. It has it's good and bad sides, just like anything else.

    Is the Bible "the greatest book ever written"? Sure, I'd agree, if by "great" you mean that the Torah was the greatest job-creation and job-security legislation ever written by (and for) the priestly and clerical classes.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Who said its evil? That's religious-based hyperbolic thinking. It has it's good and bad sides, just like anything else. Is the Bible "the greatest book ever written"? Sure, I'd agree, if by "great" you mean that the Torah was the greatest job-creation and job-security legislation ever written by (and for) the priestly and clerical classes.

    Many people say organized religion is inherently evil or at least strongly imply it. It's hyperbolic thinking to assume that the opinion of the secular community can be neatly packaged into a "good and bad in everything" argument. For example watching someone be raped or killed without aiding is a crime in the modern world. Couldn't you use a similar "good and bad in everything" argument to skate out of the responsibility in helping others in turmoil? Why try to control bad when you admittingly cannot escape it? And if you CAN escape it, doesn't that forcast an ultimate end to all bad?

    -Sab

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  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    I am not totally shocked, but I do find it curious that you would ever think ancient organized religion as majestical at all.

    Let me clarify. Religion is a blight upon the earth. The first humans or proto-humans or cousins of humans that expanded their mind to have the idea to try to understand the world around them was the first step towards science. Unfortunately, made up, imagined gods, religion and superstition stunted that for 12000 years. I mainly agree with the second part of your statement.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    It's hyperbolic thinking to assume that the opinion of the secular community can be neatly packaged into a "good and bad in everything" argument.

    In what way is it hyperbolic? And who, besides you, said it COULD be neatly packaged?

    Couldn't you use a similar "good and bad in everything" argument to skate out of the responsibility in helping others in turmoil?

    Sure someone could. And they would be a douchebag for it your example, presuming they had the ability to help and chose not to.

    Why try to control bad when you admittingly cannot escape it?

    Because otherwise it gets out of hand.

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    When I was little I remember waking up very early on a Friday or Saturday morning and immediately experiencing a feeling of dread and panic. My mind would desperately grasp for any train of logic that could possibly get me out of the multi-hour car ride with my parents to one of the tri-annual gatherings of JW's. Life for a JW kid can be so bad that you find yourself in a constant and desperate search for relief.

    There is a family dynamic that is common among all cultures. This would be a father's desire for his children to succeed specifically the eldest. In the western world it might be a father pressuring his son to take up the family trade. In the mind of a family leader survival of the group is paramount, so any pain that is a means to that survival is highly glorified. Creating something from blood, sweat and tears comes with a certain sense of pride that can be a powerful emotional motivator.

    Other cases could include a father sending their child to some sort of camp or boarding school. It's a cliche scene where the boy is calling his parents begging to come home from a place that the parents believe will refine their child for the better. This is much how I felt as a JW child. Every second of every day I wanted to phone home and beg my parents to save me, but unfortunately they were working for the boarding school. This puts the child into a primal survival mode as happened to me.

    As I look back on it all I surely call the creators of such an environment totally and incomparably evil. Not everyone shares this point of view, but many are at least sympathetic to it. The question that haunts my mind is the why? The closing of the Age of Prophets serves as a perfect explanation, imo. What I existed within was a custom made environment from the ground up. There is natural supply and demand and then there is fake supply and demand. You have real economics that are a reflection of the human minds involved and then you have systems that are just designed to appear real, but actually are completely stale and hallow. This is why people who come out of the Watchtower have such a hard time at accepting the truth about the truth. That's why it takes years, because this particular fabrication is incredibly immense and detailed, but of negative worth. Which is hard for a mind to accept without dissonance.

    Now it's become apparent to me that trauma is something that aids the Watchtower process. You can find literally every form of abuse happening in the families of the Society from emotional to physical to psychological and everything in-between. Why SO bad? A hint comes from understanding the pain and suffering that our ancients went through which they idealize. It could be said that Prophets arise because of suffering and are a completely natural phenomenon. Wouldn't it be great to have a world where we didn't require Prophets any longer? What would that world look like?

    So like fighter fighters who start their own fires and then put them out the Prophets of today make sure their environments are one of pain and suffering (see Hitchens opinion on Mother Tersa). This keeps them employed.

    At first I became very angry at this thought. Their survival would then be the cause of my suffering growing up and everyone's suffering on this forum. For them? Really? But when I really think about it they are victims too because there is suffering in this world and some people just only know one way to deal with it. Just like the father that sends his kid to boarding school and sees it through to the bitter end, if need be. Because he has faith in a system, but what happens when that system passes away or becomes corrupt? Will the father change with the winds or will he stubbornly hold onto tradition at the potential cost of his whole generation becoming soiled? The Watchtower says he won't change, in fact, they bet on it.

    -Sab

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