1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett 84 Replies latest jw friends

  • truthseeker100
    truthseeker100

    I AM old enough to remember vividly. If what you say is true, that it was overzealous individuals reading between the lines, who wrote the lines? Who fostered the attitude? Who appointed the elders, COs, DOs who whipped up the frenzy? Who commended (in writing) those who sold all their possessions to pioneer for the "remaining months"? Who selected the speakers and wrote the outlines and manuscripts for the assemblies and conventions where it was repeatedly stated that the millennium reign of Christ HAD to be included in the 7th day of Jah's rest "day" that they stated as fact is 7,000 years long?

    They stated as fact that 6,000 years of mankind's existence ended in 1975, therefore the "Great Tribulation" would occur on or BEFORE 1975 to make the entire time period EXACTLY 7,000 years long.

    Hey third gen sounds like me and you went to the same special talk in Toronto. LOL

    The WBTS can try all they want to rewrite their history. I wish them good luck! In the internet age we are all in now it can't be done.

  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    Simon says:

    It would be easier to do some research on the subject if Watchtower had not removed all the 1975 articles. :)

    Try finding the first chapter of the book "Life Everlasting in the Freedom of the Sons of God" online. Lots of charts and 1975 referances.

    IF Fred Franz was gods channel...did God lie to Fred? Fred had bad eyesight...so was he deaf to the Holy Spirit as well? Was the Holy Spirit lying to Fred, or... just playing tricks on him. If Fred Franz was "running ahead of the other members of the governing body, WHY was he rewarded with being promoted to PRESIDENT of the Watchtower Society after the failed prophecy? So many questions...........

  • SimonSays
    SimonSays

    Yes just like in everything written since the inception of written language, to understand the premise, you need the narrative.

    Yes I also knew Fred and Ray Franz very well.

    Watchtower March 15, 1980 pages 17-18

    Caption: Hold to Your Choice!

    If we remain faithful, God will not let us make ruinous mistakes. But sometimes he permits us to be in error so that we may see our need to look always to him and his Word. This strengthens our relationship with him and our endurance while waiting. We learn from our mistakes that it is necessary to be more careful in the future. The desire for the new system of things to take complete charge of the earth has always been very strong in Christians down through the centuries. And because of their own short life-span, they doubtless longed for it to come in their particular lifetime. Those who have tried to keep God’s judgment time “close in mind” have, on more than one occasion throughout history, become overly eager for that day’s arrival, in their own minds trying to rush the arrival of the desired events. (2 Pet. 3:12) In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.”

    5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

    6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

    7 Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God’s promises. Rather, as a consequence, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the Scriptures regarding this matter of a day of judgment. In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date. What is important is our keeping ever in mind that there is such a day—and it is getting closer and it will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly be “awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” (2 Pet. 3:12) It is not a certain date ahead; it is day-to-day living on the part of the Christian that is important. He must not live a single day without having in mind that he is under Jehovah’s loving care and direction and must submit himself thereto, keeping also in mind that he must account for his acts.

    Jehovah’s Witness Yearbook 1980

    Caption: THE “LIVING HOPE” CONVENTION

    Many were the fine, up building talks that were given, but space permits touching on just a few of these. The 100-year record of The Watchtower and of those associated with it as ‘messengers of hope’ was not only enlightening but most encouraging. The talk dealing with our conscience directed the pointed counsel to those who blithely say, “It doesn’t bother my conscience.” That talk showed how important it is to make certain what God’s Word has to say about a matter, and how it will affect our brothers as well as what effect it might have on ourselves. And because of the inroads that the world’s unclean spirit is making among some of God’s people, other talks stressed the Christian requirements of chasteness, self-control and “holy acts of conduct.”

    Many were the appreciative comments heard on the symposium dealing with “Soundness of Mind in a Mixed-up World.” These talks underscored the value of cultivating a realistic view of life; of forming trusted relations with Jehovah God and our brothers; of strengthening our Bible-based hope and the will to live, as well as of allowing for variety and recreation in one’s life. A fine point made in the talk “Choosing the Best Way of Life” was that Jehovah God will save us from stumbling—even as he did David in the case of Nabal’s insolence—but we must do our part. The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society’s responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975.

    “Christlike Modesty—Evidence of Wisdom” made the point that modesty means to be aware of one’s limitations. The Bible shows that God is humble, but since he is without limitations the term modesty does not appropriately apply to him. Then again, a Christian may be humble and yet not be fully aware of his limitations, as in the case of the apostle Peter.—Ps. 18:35; Mark 14:27-31, 66-72.

    The heartwarming message contained in the public talk, “Mankind’s Only Hope—God’s Unshakable Kingdom,” also elicited many expressions of appreciation. And ending the convention on a very positive and encouraging note was the final discourse, “Spurred on by Our Living Hope.”

  • 3rdgen
    3rdgen
    @Truthseeker100, Actually I attended in Cali, USA. Oakland Colosseum or Candlestick Park in 1968 and 1969 went to Pasadena California for the international convention. But our joint recollections confirm the united message that came DIRECTLY from HQ.
  • truthseeker100
    truthseeker100
    "Running ahead" I have not heard of that expression in years. Do you all remember the old red Babylon book that was studied on Tuesday night book studies? They can try and hide behind copy write laws and other things but the info will will eventually be placed on line by somebody.
  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    How could I ever forget Freddy Franzes snore worthy talks? I did stay awake for this one and sold my earthly belongings and went to Bethel to actually SEE crazy Freddy every morning in his mis matched garb.

    Here is the Link to Freddy Franz's talk in LA : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwKX-5qXT0

  • Ucantnome
    Ucantnome

    But just like everything else, those JW’s that were new or didn’t understand the premise took 1975 to mean the fulfillment of Christ presence and overstepped their expectations, by overshadowing what had been published earlier.

    this was from your earlier post SimonSays this is from the Watchtower that you mentioned of March 1980

    In saying "anyone", the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.'

    It includes all disappointed ones including those who published the material. Why would they be disappointed if it was only new ones who had overstepped their expectations?

  • 3rdgen
    3rdgen

    @Simonsays, Am I to assume that you were one of the ones who didn't follow the council to live with the end in view? Did you ignore the admonition not to attend college? Did you ignore the WT articles encouraging singleness and postponing having children until after Armageddon? Did your elderly parents donate your inheritance to the WTBT$?

    If you didn't buy into the end coming soon, no matter what decade you pick, you are likely much better off than those who have "listened and obeyed".

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    @SimonSays

    Unless you live through it you can't understand what the R&F members went through at that time.

    The GB knew exactly what they were doing as they deceptively worded this Awake article but the way they worded that the message they wanted to convey to the R&F members what they wanted them to hear. They first pose the question to the reader "Does this mean that the above evidence positively points to 1975 as the time for the complete end of the system of things?" Then the last sentence of the paragraph says, "If the 1970's should see intervention by Jehovah God to bring an end to a corrupt world drifting toward ultimate disintegration, that surely not surprise us."

  • Ucantnome
    Ucantnome

    The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society’s responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975

    Some?

    This was the Year book published by the Watchtower who had taught about the 6000 years. Starting back in the 1800's. and they say brothers appreciated that they took responsibility for 'some' of the disappointment.

    Maybe they spoke to the wrong brothers. lol.

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