found this online and thought it would provoke an interesting conversation
http://www.biblebeliefs.net/man/lucifer.htm
comments please
dc
"we do not see the world as it is,
we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin
who is Lucifer?
by DCs Ghost 7 Replies latest watchtower bible
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DCs Ghost
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Valis
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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Justin
The application of Isaiah 14:12-15 to Satan is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses, but rather is a traditional understanding that goes back to the early Church Fathers.
Apparently the Fathers noticed that Ezekiel 28:11-19, regarding the king of Tyre, had peculiar features that did not seem to fit that historical personage. Expressions such as, "You were in Eden, the garden of God," "You were the anointed cherub who covers," "You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you," led them to apply this passage to Satan as the antitype of the king of Tyre.
It was a short step from this application of Ezekiel to treating the prophecy of Isaiah in a similar light - using an historical king (or dynasty) to portray Satan. Of course, the name Lucifer does not appear in the Hebrew text - that is actually the Latin word which is used in the Vulgate and which came to be accepted as the name of the Devil before his fall.
Of course, someone who looks at the Bible solely from a historical perspective will not use these interpretations, but nevertheless they have taken on a life of their own. The thing to remember is that, when the WT uses them, it is actually borrowing one of Christendom's traditions!
Justin
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OMG - WT Bible v KJV
Isaiah 14:12
KJV uses the name LUCIFER
NWT uses shining one.
I was always told
'' Satan the Devil is not called lucifer. He has no name. It's not important cos he is a fallen angel, the first apostate. ''
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frankiespeakin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
Lucifer ( pron.: / ' l u? s ? f ?r / or / ' lj u? s ? f ?r / ) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word ?????? in Isaiah 14:12 . This word, transliterated hêlel or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star, Lucifer". [ 1 ] The word Lucifer is taken from the LatinVulgate, [ 2 ] which translates ?????? as lucifer, [ 3 ] [ 4 ] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus" (or, as an adjective, "light-bearing"). [ 5 ] The Septuagint renders ?????? in Greek as ?ωσφ?ρος [ 6 ] [ 7 ] (heosphoros), [ 8 ] [ 9 ] [ 10 ] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star. [ 11 ] Kaufmann Kohler says that the Greek Septuagint translation is "Phosphoros". [ 2 ]
Before the rise of Christianity, the pseudepigrapha of Enochic Judaism, the form of Judaism witnessed to in 1 Enoch and 2 Enoch, which enjoyed much popularity during the Second Temple period, [ 12 ] gave Satan an expanded role. They interpreted Isaiah 14:12-15 as applicable to Satan, and presented him as a fallen angel cast out of Heaven. [ 13 ] Christian tradition, influenced by this presentation, [ 13 ] came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for Satan as he was before his fall. As a result, "Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", [ 2 ] as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.
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jgnat
Thanks so much. I learned a lot today.
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mP
Lucifer=Venus. Go check your favourite Latin dictionary.
