Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper 75 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • william draper
    william draper

    I know many on here have lost faith in the Bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it . We have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant . I believe if we take an honest look at the Bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure ,

    Let's take a look at Law , Law will always prevail sooner or later , did that Rich Bastard just gun down or run over some poor old man , misfiurtunate woman or child , well Law will demand repayment of some form , and that life that was squashed will certainly be restored ; Law would demand this , and the scriptures say that such will happen .

    Is there any other book that gives us a better understanding of where we came from , and what may be / is to be our future .

    AM I RIGHT TO SAY THERE IS NO OTHER BOOK ! written before the scriptures in this regard that is more worth believing .

    Was there any book written before the Bible to speak of thesacredness of marriage , of course we say . . . . what about King David and others that had MANY wives , OK , but really does it say anywhere in scripture that such was a blessed arrangement , or have we read into the scriptures this kind of understanding , is it possible some things were written for us to be more critical of .

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    My friend, most of the "good things" in the bible were written by the Egyptians long before whomever wrote the bible. Fact.

    Humans are an every evolving group, we are strong social creatures, we are stronger when we have stronger society, logic tells us that not murdering, not stealing and so forth creates a stronger more successful society, even in untouched cultures who have never heard of the bible and follow the same basic moral principles.

    Greek myths and other "foundation myths contain accounts that use sometimes real places, and moral stories. Does that make them true? There are volumes of research on where the bible has actually come from, where its main themes were plagiarized from etc. I ask you spend some serious unbiased research time on these then consider your question again.

    The bible and religion were part of our evolution and imagination, but what they are today is an answer to questions no one should be asking

    Peace and love FMF

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou
    I believe if we take an honest look at the Bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters

    Like slavery? Women's rights? Equality for gay and transgender folks?

    Is there any other book that gives us a better understanding of where we came from , and what may be / is to be our future .

    On the Origin of Species.

    William Draper, people have lost faith in the Bible because they have exchanged faith for reason. That's progress.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    This is where the bible got lost along the way... and what it should be to be a "good person".

    1. Reason, Not Superstition

    2. Ethics, Not Dogma

    3. Respect, Not Worship

    4. Courage, Not Fear

    5. Fact, Not Myth

    6. Morality, Not Religion

    7. Clarity, Not Delusion

    8. Good, Not God

    9. Skeptic, Not Cynic

    10. Rationality, Not Ideology

  • Simon
    Simon
    Let's take a look at Law , Law will always prevail sooner or later , did that Rich Bastard just gun down or run over some poor old man , misfiurtunate woman or child , well Law will demand repayment of some form , and that life that was squashed will certainly be restored ; Law would demand this , and the scriptures say that such will happen

    Well, not always - if the bible was so great then it's laws would be great to. Many obviously aren't and allowed abusive behaviour and mistreatment of the weak.

    Watch this for a great review of the 10 commandments and some better ones:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9weXGtCk7c

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    From a list that I wrote:

    A Most Evil and Stupid Book

    The Moral Depravity, Absurdities

    and Contradictions of the Bible

    OLD TESTAMENT (Jewish Bible)

    1. Will the real Ten Commandments please stand up? Two different versions of the Ten Commandments that contradict each other: Exodus 20:1-17 compare to Exodus 34:1-27.

    2. How the former slaves of Israel treated their own slaves:

    Ø Non-Israelites could be taken as slaves for life and their children be passed of as inheritance: Leviticus 25:44-46 compare to Leviticus 19:33-34 where it says the exact opposite.

    Ø A Hebrew slave was obligated for only six years of slavery but had to leave behind the wife his master gave him along with his children: Exodus 21:2-6.

    Ø A master was allowed to savagely beat his slave so long as he or she did not die within a day or two: Exodus 21:20-21 compare to Exodus 2:11-12.

    Ø If a slave had an eye blinded by his master he was to be set free but his master was not blinded in punishment according to the rule of an ‘eye for an eye’ that applied to other people guilty of the same crime: Exodus 21:26-27 compare to Leviticus 24:19-21.

    3. Exterminate thy neighbors:

    Ø All of them some of the time: Deuteronomy 3:1-6.

    Ø Men only at other times. Women and children are plunder: Deuteronomy 20:10-18.

    Ø Everyone except virgin girls when the mood strikes: Numbers 31:14-18.

    Ø Take captive brides after killing their mother and father: Deuteronomy 21:10-14.

    4. How the Israelites treated their ladies:

    Ø Women got their hands cut off for defending their husbands if they yanked his attacker's testicles: Deuteronomy 25:11-12.

    Ø If a single woman was raped, her rapist was punished by being forced to marry her and never divorce her: Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

    Ø If an engaged or married woman was raped she was to be executed if she failed to scream: Deuteronomy 22:23-24.

    Ø A woman had to prove her virginity or be stoned to death: Deuteronomy. 22:13-21

    Ø A man could sell his daughter into permanent slavery: Exodus 21:7-11.

    5. God had someone killed someone for gathering firewood on a Saturday: Numbers 15:32-36.

    6. God cannot see well: Genesis 18:20-21; Deuteronomy 23:12-14.

    7. God has a lot of trouble counting:

    Ø King David kills 700 charioteers and 40,000 horsemen or is it 7,000 charioteers and 40,000 foot soldiers? 2 Samuel 10:18 compare to 1 Chronicles 19:18.

    Ø King David kills 18,000 Edomites, or is it 12,000? 1 Chronicles 18:12 compare to Psalms 60 chapter title.

    Ø King Solomon’s slave supervisors numbered 550 or 250? 1 Kings 9:20-23 compare to 2 Chronicles 8:7-10.

    Ø A talent for exaggeration: 1 Chronicles 22:14.

    8. God Unmighty! God miraculously saved the Israelites from Pharaoh’s chariots Exodus 14:23-25 but later he could not handle another nation’s chariots Judges 1:19.


    NEW TESTAMENT (Christian Bible)

    1. Jesus calls a little girl a dog because she is not an Israelite: Matthew 15:21-26.

    2. Jesus curses a fig tree for not having fruit out of season: Mark 11:12-21; Matthew 21:18-20.

    3. Jesus curses entire towns for not being impressed by his miracles but later asks God to forgive his murderers: Matthew 11:20-24 compare to Luke 23:34.

    4. John the Baptist recognizes Jesus then later forgets who he is: John 1:29-34 and Matthew 3:13-15 compared to Matthew 11:2-3.

    5. False prophesies of Jesus and his followers:

    Ø The Messiah will come before his disciples finish preaching in Israel. Matthew 10:21-23.

    Ø Jesus will be back before some disciples die but later claims he said something else. Matthew 16:28 compare to John 21:21-23.

    6. Two tales of two thieves: Matthew 27:38-44 and Mark 15:27-32 compared to Luke 23:39-43.

    7. Christian view on women:

    Ø Women should shut up in church: 1 Corinthians 14:34-35.

    Ø Women should wear a head covering on their heads in church: 1 Corinthians 11:3-6.


    8. Christian view on slavery: 1 Peter 2:18-20.

    9. Disappearing verses: John 7:53-8:11.

    10. Multiple endings for Jesus’ departure: Mark 16:9-19.

  • william draper
    william draper

    Free Mind , I am sure that the authenticity of there actually being certain writings containing more pertenant matters that were written before scripture are quite questionable and believable mostly to those that want to belief such , but let's say that certain writings were in Egypt before being written in scripture , then it would appear that such good knowledge was gained from Gods spirit one way or the other and found worthy of being in scripture . I appreciate your response sincerely .

    In regards to Aten , there really didn't appear to be substantiation , only some things relative .

    Just like people that want to believe in certain things about but he Bible and will find justification , sometimes not all that good . Some people have gotten so turned off by wrong understanding of scripture that they will easily accept things which are said about other things , but in all honesty really don't have true justification .

    It s a real learning experience , I will agree to get to that which is really true .

    In regards to people being gay , the scriptures speak of certain people , not that they should be killed , but something else , but one that promotes such a thing is truly going against God , just like one that would promote Greed , or has some other weakness , typically we don't act like we are proud of such ,but live with it the best that we can , that is all God requires of us , if we slip we try to do better , not promote things which are contrary .

  • Giordano
    Giordano
    Mr. Draper it's always a good idea to not try to farm rocky ground.
  • nicolaou
    nicolaou
    William, in all seriousness; are you here for reasonable debate or just to promote your own religious point of view?
  • cofty
    cofty
    Just like people that want to believe in certain things about but he Bible and will find justification

    I didn't want to come to the realisation that the bible was not my guide for life. It came gradually over a long period of time through careful study.

    It is a deeply flawed book. Why would it not be? It was written by ignorant Iron Age goat herders who had the moral sense of an ISIS war lord.

    It is truly depraved from beginning to end.

    It approves - prescribes even - slavery, kidnap, forced marriage, genocide, infanticide, homophobia and misogyny.

    It will not do to try to sweep the Old Testament under the carpet. The god of the OT was "the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ".

    Any intelligent, thoughtful person could write a better guide for life in a weekend.

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