Oil Companies Are Not Ethical

by shamus100 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16404268

    They are only ethical when the spotlight is shined on them - brightly. ;(

    Ecuador appeals court rules against Chevron in oil case

    Environmentalist Donald Moncayo shows a glove covered in oil after testing an area in Lago Agrio, January 2011 Residents say pollution was widespread, while Chevron says money was spent on a clean-up Continue reading the main story

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    An Ecuadorean appeals court has upheld a ruling that Chevron should pay damages totalling $18.2bn (£11.5bn) over Amazon oil pollution.

    Chevron said the judgement was "illegitimate" and "a fraud".

    Texaco, which merged with Chevron in 2001, was accused of dumping toxic materials in the Ecuadorean Amazon.

    The original ruling ordered Chevron to pay $8.6bn in damages, which was more than doubled after the company failed to make a public apology.

    "We ratify the ruling of February 14 2011 in all its parts, including the sentence for moral reparation," the court in the Amazonian city of Lago Agrio said in its ruling, according to Reuters.

    Long-running battle

    In a statement released in response, Chevron said the decision was a "glaring example of the politicization and corruption of Ecuador's judiciary". It said it would continue to seek recourse through proceedings outside Ecuador.

    The decision is the latest twist in a long-running legal battle between Chevron and the Ecuadorean plaintiffs.

    The lawsuit was brought on behalf of 30,000 Ecuadoreans, in a case which has dragged on for years.

    Ecuadorean indigenous groups said Texaco dumped more than 18bn gallons (68bn litres) of toxic materials into unlined pits and rivers between 1972 and 1992.

    But Chevron says Texaco spent $40m cleaning up the area during the 1990s, and signed an agreement with Ecuador in 1998 absolving it of any further responsibility.

    Oil production map

    In September, a US appeals court overturned a decision to block the collection of the fine from the company.

    Plaintiffs, who had agreed not to attempt to collect the damages until the appeals process was completed in Ecuador, welcomed Tuesday's ruling.

    "This [ruling] confirms and ratifies that the company polluted and affected the Amazon," they said in a statement.

    "It is necessary to clarify that no amount will be enough to repair all the crime they did in our area, nor will it be enough to bring the dead back to life."

    Ecuador's President Rafael Correa described the dispute as a "David and Goliath" battle.

    "I think justice has been done," he said after the ruling was announced.

    "The harm that Chevron caused to the Amazon cannot be denied."

    Chevron has challenged the fine, arguing that lawyers and supporters of the indigenous groups who brought the case conspired to fabricate evidence.

    In a previous separate case, international arbitrators ordered the Ecuadorean government to pay $96m to Chevron because Ecuador's courts had violated international law as a result of delays in resolving commercial disputes involving Texaco.

  • Terry
    Terry

    If we go waaaaaay back in history to the indigenous people in the Americas, the Native Americans, we find they walked everywhere.

    An outside society, the Spaniards, introduced the horse and the Native Americans began using them for transportation.

    The Native Americans had no technology with which to improve upon the horse never having invented a wheel.

    Centuries passed and the Automobile was invented. Not by itself. By the genius of certain men of talent and vision. It was mostly viewed as an oddity. The horse would never be replaced.

    However, this invention was improved by clever and ambitious men with stalward minds. Eventually, the automobile was mass manufactured

    by a clever entrepreneur, Henry Ford.

    Here is where the "problem" begins.

    Henry Ford paid wages in his automobile factory that was above the paygrade of most men working in ordinary jobs.

    But, he worked people's fingers to the bone and got up in their face about their family life as well.

    He was a meddler, but, he sold more cars at affordable prices than competitor's could manage......for quite awhile.

    Why would people agree to work for an asshole like Henry Ford?

    Was it ethical to agree to support such a businessman (a rabid Anti-Semite) by laboring to manufacture his products?

    Oil Companies are like Henry Ford and his automobile company. They sell a product everybody wants---and because of the failure to provide an alternate choice--a product everybody "needs".

    Is it ethical to support Oil Companies by purchasing their products?

    The people who grit their teeth at the high price of fuel are like the indigeonous Native Americans in not coming up with an ALTERNATE choice for themselves. We have allowed ourselves to be dominated by artificial dependance.

    There are two moral choices:

    1.Come up with your own alternative fuel and become independant of outside control

    2.Refuse to pay for any product or service you feel is unfair or unethical

    Cutting a deal with a powerful adversary for immediate benefits at the risk of damage by future actions is a deal with the devil.

    "Just say no" and be ETHICAL.

    Don't work for an asshole.

    Don't support a conglomerate of assholes.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    On the other hand, Terry - don't you agree that it is likely that without Henry Ford and the assembly line (and other industry), the United States would probably have not been able to later win WW2? The strategic victory certainly included American oil drilling.

    I too agree that the oil companies have made some monumental ecological messes in the past - but they are constantly improving in this regard.

    I think we probably could question the ethics of coal mining from a morally stronger platform - drilling for oil has not directly killed even a fraction of those killed by coal mining (or it could be argued - damaged the environment as much).

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Terry,

    There is a need for worldwide standards. Oil companies, as I have learned over the years, have different standards for every country.

  • Terry
    Terry

    My not so sly point was that corporations aren't inherently EVIL or UNETHICAL.

    We, the people, who charter them, subsidize them, lease property to them, vote for politicians who enable them WITHOUT PROPER attention to the ugly unintended consequences of our deal-making---ARE ASKING FOR THE TROUBLE we get later on down the road.

    Here in Texas where I live the Natural Gas drilling companies have gone neighborhood by neighborhood signing people up and paying them a fee to get the right to drill ANY DAMN PLACE THEY CHOOSE!

    But, it is the householder and property owner who sells out to them for the monthly check!!

    The guy on a block who tries to "hold-out" for a wopping sum of money finds himself pressured by his eager neighbors to "cut the crap and sign" so that the rest of them can start getting that check in the mail!

    Solidarity is hard to come by.

    My former spouse and her father have useless real estate property everywhere that suddenly started generating thousands of dollars a month!

    They signed on and she quit her job and started spending like there was no tomorrow.

    Meanwhile the air quality has gotten worse and worse and there are ugly drilling rigs just about everywhere you go!

    We tie our own noose and happily (greedily) put it around our own neck and jump.

    Then, we complain how tight that noose is and rant about how hard it is to breathe!!

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    Meanwhile the air quality has gotten worse and worse and there are ugly drilling rigs just about everywhere you go!

    Actually, the air quality has gotten better (edit to say in Texas) over about the last two decades due to environmental measures and stricter emissions requirements for cars and trucks, electrical generation, and so on.

    We still have a ways to go.

    Also - Shamus is correct in that what is perfectly SOP in a third world country would probably be nearly a capital crime in the U.S. or western Europe.

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    See you down there, Terry. ;)

  • Terry
    Terry
    2011 Proving to Be a Bad Year for Air Quality in Texas - NYTimes.com

    www.nytimes.com/2011/.../2011-proving-to-be-a-bad-year-for-air-q...

    Dec 10, 2011 – Ozone levels have risen across Texas this year, and researchers are trying to determine why. Increased oil and gas drilling in shale areas is a ...

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