by PowerGmbH 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Gd,
Has anybody information WHERE i can get reliable information about the exact content of these
two Artefacts?
I want to know: Nabon.No.8 (HillahStele) and B.M.33066:
Where/When discovered, by whoom, and
Translated text, together with their Astronomic Texts ( at least in English ),
in order to be able to see with SkyViev6 the Famous "most Fixed Date" in ancient history: 555BC + 539BC
regardless all other History and Critics.
Carl Jonsson discusses this with some of the details in his GTR#4 and #3 (i.e. "Gentile Times Revisited"). check him out and it may be enough information for you, or check his reference to the text.
More and more information is being made available online, so it might be published by now.
LS
Do you want any "conspiracy theory" discussion for this text. The JIOR use the Nabon 18 to reset the timing for all ancient lunar eclipses, so it is an important text. But I don't want to highjack this thread with any unwanted speculative discussion,
The Nabon 18 may have been discussed in detail even here, so check the archives here for the "Nabon 18" where the translation of the text might be qouted.
ciao
LS
Here is some information:
2. Nabon. No. 8, or the Hillah stele, was discovered in the neighborhood of Hillah, southeast of the ruins of Babylon, at the end of the 19th century. A transcription of the text was first published in 1896 and a second in 1912. The information given in this stele helps to establish the length of the whole Neo-Babylonian era from Nabopolassar to the reign of Nabonidus. This inscription, too, contains a record of astronomical observations which enables us to fix the reign of Nabonidus. The stele tells of occurrences in Nabonidus's accession year and his first full year, and contains a description of a configuration of planets and stars observed by Nabonidus in an unnamed evening during this period. It is stated that Venus, Saturn, and Jupiter were visible after dusk while Mars and Mercury were absent. Certain bright stars were also mentioned. If, as has been established, Nabonidus ascended the throne in 556 B.C. and his first full year was 555/4 B.C. (Nisan-Nisan), we should find this configuration of stars and planets during that period. The above mentioned Hildegard Lewy calculated the date for this configuration and concluded: "The only time within the given interval when this constellation occurred was the period of 3 days comprised between Simanu 2 and Simanu 6 of Nabu-na'id's first full year (May 31 to June 4, 555 B.C.), during which period, in fact, also the fixed stars enumerated by the king were visible in the evening sky." So again, we find Nabonidus's reign astronomically fixed and his seventeen years of rule confirmed.
In several of his royal inscriptions (Stelenfrgm. III,1 and XI, Nabon. H1,B and Zyl. III,2) Nabonidus says that in a dream in his accession year he was commanded by the gods Marduk and Sin to rebuild the temple e.hul.hul in Harran. In connection with this the text under discussion (Nabon. No. 8) provides a very interesting piece of information: "As to the temple e.hul.hul in Harran which was in ruins for 54 years -- through a devastation by the Manda-hordes the(se) sanctuaries were laid waste -- the time (predestined) by the gods, the moment for the appeasement (to wit) 54 years, had come near, when Sin should have returned to his place." The date when the temple e.hul.hul in Harran was ruined by the "Manda-hordes" is known to us from two different reliable sources: The Babylonian chronicle BM 21901 and the Harran inscription Nabon. H1,B (this is described below). The chronicle states that in the 16th year of Nabopolassar, in the month of Marcheswan, "the Umman-manda (the Medes), [who] had come [to help] the king of Akkad, put their armies together and marched to Harran.... The king of Akkad reached Harran and [...] he captured the city. He carried off the vast booty of the city and the temple." The Nabonidus stele H1,B gives the same information: "Whereas in the 16th year of Nabopolassar, king of Babylon, Sin, king of the gods, with his city and his temple was angry and went up to heaven -- the city and the people that (were) in it went to ruin."
Thus Nabonidus reckons the 54 years to be from the 16th year of Nabopolassar to the beginning of his own reign when the gods commanded him to rebuild the ruined temple. This is in excellent agreement with the figures for the Neo-Babylonian reigns given by Berossus and Ptolemy. As Nabopolassar reigned for 21 years, 5 years remained from his 16th year to the end of his reign. After that Nebuchadnezzar ruled for 43, Evil-Merodach for 2, and Neriglissar for 4 years before Nabonidus came to power (Labashi-Marduk's few months may be neglected). Adding up these regnal years (5+43+2+4) we get 54 years -- exactly as Nabonidus states on his stele. If, as has already been established, Nabonidus's first year was 555/4 B.C., Nabopolassar's sixteenth year must have been 610/609, his first year 625/4 and his 21st year 605/4 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar's first year, then, was 604/3, and his 18th, when he destroyed Jerusalem, was 587/6 B.C. These dates agree completely with the dates arrived at from Ptolemy's king list and Berossus's figures.
Consequently, this stele alone establishes the length of the whole Neo-Babylonian era. It fixes the reign of Nabonidus astronomically, and it gives the total length of the reigns of all the Neo-Babylonian kings prior to Nabonidus. The strength of this evidence from the Neo-Babylonian era itself can hardly be overestimated.
From: http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/part-2-discussion-of-historical.html
I got this by Google of "Hillah stele." Most of the information you want can be found if you just Google it.
I'm glad I checked further because the "Hillah stele" is Nabon No. 8. The document I referred to earlier was Nabon 18, a different text, so the astronomical event in that text is different than in this text. Sorry for any confusion.
LS
Thanks for the Infos, but this is not the full response to the question i had:
i want the Translated Text ( preferably in English ) including postitions of the Stars , Moon and other ones, and their relative Positions to verify the conclusions of Hildegard Lewy onto 555 BC, and thereafter 539.
BTW: All other factors eclipsed, as anyway if ever you read Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky's heretical chronology critics on what the Ocidental World believes is "History" you will find out there where tremendous Historic errors with up to 600 years discrepances all from 1513BC up to the Romans, so don't worry about Berossus and Ptolemy and their conclusions...
Wow, reading a little about Velikovsky and his pseudo-science--he could've written for the Golden Age!
Well, that is what the occidental science and historians allways do: "reading a little bit" sometimes not even that, and then
these "Historians" use the usual methods to undermine the alternative heretics... If one stands on a alternative side, may it be actual movements,
actual political themes, actual religious themes, or alternative history themes, one simply has to look for other alternative explanations
versus the general mainstream, so simple is the thing but so difficult to stand for....
And there are quite some people in "the line of fire" starting from Velikovski, up to Zillmer ( Zillmer.com ) that accuse the mainstream History and Mainstream Geology to be false...
I admit it is difficult to stand for an extraterrestrial Gouvernment, that will soon invade and overthrow our actual Pirate like Rebels world, but at the end "the winner takes all"; Anyway not more difficult than stand for a movement like "Anonymus" or "We are the 99%"
