I send some qestions too A down on this side, I can not get inn to check the answer, think my computoer is to littet power when it is so many spells.
please put your answer inn a new topic so i can read it.
To this peopel who wonder why i am writing here, is i the only one, now,
i am not afrid, my wxpiriens is that we are told to not talk too peopel who leave us, but it is not forbidden, only not so good for your spirit.
That my wuie.
And i think it is very important that some balanse things telling here, you tell you expiriens, i tell my, and this who are inn here have a more balansd pickture, i hope.
I give one proposal on unother site for ex JW, that Betel must start one our or two to examine internet, and exjwsits, it is very learnig too see where the problem is, perhaps it is more easy to solv if they doo like this.
But i must say I am very dissapointed that not anyone try too answer the qestions i ask, only tell who bad brain i have.
Ican tell you that i have my one firm widh 7 people working for mee, so i can not bee so bad inn the head.
Any answer from amaizing?
by happy man 5 Replies latest jw friends
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happy man
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Celia
HappyMan,
Go there :
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=21833&site=3No, You are probably not so bad in the head...
It is even harder to write the way you do than to do it correctly.... and it is certainly hard to read and understand ! -
JT
Happy Man i repost my questions to you again:
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HAPPY MAN SAYS:
"Elder for 25 year, 5 children, 2 not JW one have been Dfd, but now JW again.
I se that you dont answer my qestions, only tell who silly i am, nor soo good arguing."############
First off i would like to welcome you here- as you can see we have a varied cross section of folks here in the community center.
I would like to commend you for at least being brave enough to come to this site and setup an account and post for more than 4- post as well as read Amazing very long life story.
Would you be willing to share with us what moved you to come to this site in view of what the Org teaches on this issue of being in forums like this>
I found this comment of yours most interesting in view of the fact that you are an elder where you stated:
"I have bigg respeckt for evry man and hes upinon,
even former Jw, why do you think i am writing here"i'm sure you are aware of the fact like we are that such a view puts you in grave danger with the local elders, co the ORG and according to the Society even God himslef-
I'm sure that being an elder you like many of us who were elders conducted the wt/gave talks on where we used the material provided by the society that states WE SHOULD HATE THOSE WHO HATE JAH and we know that according to the current position of the org that includes those classified as "Apoststes"
yet you share a different view than the slave-
as you know the most recent instruction to JW was that it is unscriptual and forbidden to even have DIFFERENT PRIVATE THOUGHTS:
August 1, 2001 Watchtower. The second study
article is entitled How to Make Your
Advancement Manifest.And just how is that? Well, after quoting Ephesians 4:11-14, here’s what paragraphs 8 and 9 advise:
quote:
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First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”SO as you can see as jw you are under tremedous pressure to conform to the views of the org or else YOU ALONG WITH ANY OTHER JW ARE OUT OF LINE with the channel that according to Your Belief System is being directed by god himslef
so would you be willing to share with us how you personaly reconcile being here and dialogging with us in view of the fact that your faith doesn't allow you the Freedom to do so openly
thanks and welcome to the site
James
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JT
Happy Man says:
"my wxpiriens is that we are told to not talk too peopel who leave us, but it is not forbidden, only not so good for your spirit" and the he says:
. "And i think it is very important that some balanse things telling here, you tell you expiriens, i tell my"
while I agree that you should be able to express your views as well as others- the fac of the matter is YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM forbidds it
if you are an elder as you claim then you should already know that if you were with the CO visiting a publisher and they said the exact same thing that you did above you know as weel as I do that if they DIDN'T RECANT their views on hanging out with apoststes
you guys would be setting up a judical meeting before the CO left that week
Here you try to paint the picture that as a jw your organization merely make a SUGGESTION not to dialog with those who are classified as apostates
Where in fact you ARE FORBIDDEN AS THE FOLLOWING SHOWS
I point this out not to tell you to stay away but to show you and esp NONJW that while you claim you are Free to come to such sites you are in fact risking your "Strips" as an elder if you get caught here
Just think your wife and your kids could turn you in and not one of your fellow elders or CO would support your position that it OK TO BE HERE according to what you as a jw are suppose to believeI want you to stop and think about the fact that here you are a grown man with grown kids and your religion tells you what you can read and not read AND it is suppose to be a refection of your love for god
Would you please read the following information and answer this one question?
In view of the FDS directions on dealing with Dfed, DAed and those viewed as Apostates as brought out in this Article below ,
Is your position exactly the opposite of the FDS who are according to your beliefs the only channel that god is using on the earth?
Thank you
JT
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*** w86 3/15 10-15 'Do Not Be Quickly Shaken From Your Reason' ***
‘Do Not Be Quickly Shaken From Your Reason’• Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?
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Have No Dealings With Apostates
7 Now, what will you do if you are confronted with apostate teaching—subtle reasonings—claiming that what you believe as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the truth? For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it, and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: ‘It won’t affect me; I’m too strong in the truth. And, besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test.’ In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt. (Compare James 1:5-8.) So remember the warning at 1 Corinthians 10:12: “Let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.”10 When a fellow human tells us, ‘Do not read this’ or, ‘Do not listen to that,’ we may be tempted to ignore his advice. But remember, in this case Jehovah is the One who tells us in his Word what to do. And what does he say about apostates? “Avoid them” (Romans 16:17, 18); “quit mixing in company with” them (1 Corinthians 5:11); and “never receive [them] into your homes or say a greeting to [them]” (2 John 9, 10). These are emphatic words, clear directions.
If, out of curiosity, we were to read the literature of a known apostate, would that not be the same as inviting this enemy of true worship right into our home to sit down with us and relate his apostate ideas?
12 Well, if we would act so decisively to protect our children from exposure to pornography, should we not expect that our loving heavenly Father would similarly warn us and protect us from spiritual fornication, including apostasy? He says, Keep away from it!
Yes, Jehovah ‘teaches us to benefit ourselves.’ He tells us to keep separate from apostates and their teaching, and this for our own protection. It means our life.
7. (a) What questions arise if apostate literature is received by mail? (b) As regards safeguarding oneself from the influence of apostates, why is overconfidence dangerous?
10. (a) What does Jehovah say about listening to apostates? (b) Reading apostate literature would amount to doing what?
11, 12. (a) What illustration is given to help us appreciate that we cannot innocently read apostate literature? (Do you wisely destroy apostate material?
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JT
10 When a fellow human tells us, ‘Do not read this’ or, ‘Do not listen to that,’ we may be tempted to ignore his advice. But remember, in this case Jehovah is the One who tells us in his Word what to do. And what does he say about apostates? “Avoid them” (Romans 16:17, 18); “quit mixing in company with” them (1 Corinthians 5:11); and “never receive [them] into your homes or say a greeting to [them]” (2 John 9, 10).
"These are emphatic words, clear directions"
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Happy Man response to the FDS is :.
"but it is not forbidden, only not so good for your spirit"
this post is for all my NONJW so that you can see how jw are forced to try and explain the wt goofy policies by trying to appear normal like regular folks who can disagree with thier church and not be considered Wicked-
when an adult has a religion that tells them how to think and what to think and if you don;t think as we say - even though we don't claim to be INPIRED LIKE PAUL OR OTHER BIBLE CHARACTERS that is a RED Flag
I hope that his person takes the time to do the serious RE-EVALUAITON of his faith in view of the fact that they can kick him out on his head just for merely being here discussing issues of concern
One of the most powerful traits of a High control Group like WT and others is thier desire to tell the followers how to think by INVOKING that it is the will of god himself.
how sad
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happy man
Well, them I am a proof on that it not work on evryone.