YOU DECIDE; Who borrowed what from who?

by Terry 2 Replies latest jw friends

  • Terry

    In the 18th century a book appeared:

    A Faithful Narrative of the Surprising Work of God (1737), Jonathan Edwards This book detailed elements of the so-called GREAT AWAKENING. What was the Great Awakening?: The Great Awakening made religion intensely personal to the average person by fostering a deep sense of spiritual guilt and redemption, and by encouraging introspection and a commitment to a new standard of personal morality. African slaves dwelling in America were, at this time, converted to Christianity as a result. Jonathan Edwards, in the above book, used a phrase that would catch on: NEW LIGHT. Sudden "awakening" to god's purposes for action rather than mere passive acceptance. A little over a century later, lay Baptist WILLIAM MILLER created an avalanche of disturbance akin to the first Awakening. Miller used a home brewed chronology coupled with key cherry-picked scriptures to describe the immediate 2ND COMING OF CHRIST! Estimates of from 50,000 to a half million ordinary Christians accepted this spurious teaching and split from their own church to join the Adventists movement. A date was set: October 22, 1844. THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT: "Our fondest hopes and expectations were blasted, and such a spirit of weeping came over us as I never experienced before... We wept, and wept, till the day dawn." Hiram Edson. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Some people cannot accept that they are WRONG about anything they deeply believe in. What followed this Great Disappointment? Others stepped in to make new predications! Computations were changed. Charts were created as "proof" of this date and then that date. Always the result was the same; NOTHING HAPPENED! _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Gradually a new leader with a new idea found a new way to deal with all the false dates. It was a woman named Ellen G. White. She had been about 16 years old when Miller's 1844 date caused a sensation. Everybody around her was tremendously excited. The letdown afterward was almost too boring and commonplace to live with after such thrilling prospects as the 2nd Advent. The real problem was that using scriptures relied on human interpretations to set dates. Ellen White found an alternative solution that trumped this flawed methodology: she received DIRECT VISIONS from God! You can argue with a scripture but you can't argue with a vision. Isn't this how Saul became Paul, after all? Ellen G. White was, essentially, using mystical metaphysical "proof". GOD SPOKE DIRECTLY THROUGH HER. To argue with Ellen was to argue with God himself. How did she know? Well, she had been hit in the head by a rock and went into a coma some years previously. She had vivid dreams of going to heaven and speaking with God. What more proof do you need?

    1. Ellen G. White, A Sketch of the Christian Experience and Views of Ellen G. White (1851): While praying, the thick darkness that had enveloped me was scattered, a bright light, like a ball of fire, came towards me, and as it fell upon me, my strength was taken away. I seemed to be in the presence of Jesus and the angels. Again it was repeated, ‘Make known to others what I have revealed to you.
    Read the above....................................then, read below:
    Interesting to Jehovah's Witnesses would be the following, in view of all the above.

    1.Founder Pastor Charles T.Russell praised William Miller's efforts--not for accuracy--but, for making people AWARE of the 2nd Advent. 2.A leader of the Adventists, George Stoors, deeply influenced Pastor Russell to pursue Adventist studies and interest in chronology. 3.Pastor Russell's wife, Maria, adopted the same method of bypassing "interpretation" of scripture as Ellen G. White. Her view was that she and her husband, the Twain, were "faithful and wise servants" as spoken of in Matthew. In 1881, Russell had applied the scripture to the entire flock of god. After Maria convinced her husband, he eventually applied it to himself alone in private. 4.Current doctrine of the Governing Body as the only true "mouthpiece of god" by Jehovah's Witnesses stems from Ellen G. White through Maria. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As various false statements were made in the long history of Second Adventists and Seventh Day Adventists repairs and revisions and flip flops inevitably became necessary. Rather than admit to "human error", the practice became that of using Jonathan Edward's terminology about NEW LIGHT. In Adventist writings, NEW LIGHT was "present Truth" which, being freshly minted from God, made "old light" no longer useful. As old light expired and former teachings became obsolete, new visions and pronouncements proved God was directly guiding their movement. Does any of this ring a bell with Jehovah's Witnesses? A quick comparison of what Adventists were teaching about christian doctrines might be of interest to Jehovah's Witnesses today who claim ONLY THEIR RELIGION is the bringer of Truth through the faithful and discreet slave in Brooklyn. 1. The Great Controversy: that mankind's sin and history is the result of an argument between God and Satan vying for supremacy. 2. Investigative Judgement: Christ, upon taking inspection of all churches selected one group to work with and through only. 3. Eschatology or End Times : Christ has returned and is judging while ruling in the midst of His enemies whom he will shortly destroy. 4. Remnant Church : Revelation 12:17 refers to them as the faithful "Remnant" of true believers who announce the end to others. 5. State of the Dead: The dead are unconscious until resurrection. No "soul" goes to hell or heaven. 6. Nature of God: Ellen G.White taught that God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus are three distinct individuals 7. Christ as Archangel : Michael the Archangel is one of many terms applied to the Son of God. 8. Holy Spirit : Early Adventists held the view that holy spirit was more of a power and influence than a "person". 9. Baptism : Full immersion only with knowledgeable informed consent. 10. Creationism : The literal interpretation of Genesis only. The earth is not billions of years old. Are these parallels of belief, terminology, doctrine and authority mere co-incidences or have Jehovah's Witnesses since their origin been secretly co-opting the beliefs of a Mystic Adventist Ellen G. White? If Jehovah selected the Adventist, why are JW's claiming to be THE ONE? If Jehovah selected the witnesses, why are so many of their ideas ALREADY in existence in the false denomination of Adventists? You decide and report your opinion.

    Ecclesiastes 1:9

    New International Version (NIV)

    9 What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.

    If Truth is factual wouldn't it be MORE light rather than NEW light?

  • blondie

    I would not confuse the Second Adventists (Storrs) with Ellen G. White, founder of the 7th Day Adventists. I do believe that the 2nd Adventists did not believe in a trinity, but Ellen G. White's group did. I do believe that Russell was influenced more by the Second Adventists rather than the 7th day.

  • Terry

    I know that because various people who formed Adventist style movements were freshly "out of" other churches and became "free thinkers" there was a tendency to go a bit farther in radicalizing.

    Different groups had different teachings until a strong leader emerged for their locale.

    At first, Ellen G. White was sort of fence sitting about definitions of Trinity.

    Like Christianity itself, it was the clash with other equally rabid thinkers that sharpened her views into an "eventual" belief.

    We can't underestimate what effect being trivialized by your recent church brothers and sisters (after you left them) has on the psychology of going down a radical path.

    They insult you and you become critical of what they, in turn, believe.

    I think a tendency to become NEW as completely disambiguated is almost inevitable.

    Whatever views Storrs had or Ellen G.White had probably depended on what year you spoke with them or read their writings!

    Imagine reading books of Rutherford from the 20's and 30's and expecting to discover current Present Truth there :)

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