by Joey Jo-Jo 3 Replies latest watchtower bible
Muhammad's story in chronological order, very well informed and well made candide videos regarding the story of Muhammad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tj1j8089LM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DagUWed95E&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ZKL2-XAKU&feature=relmfu
And finally, something they dont want anyone to know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJyeuXtZFuQ&feature=channel_video_title
Very interesting. Bottom line is all holy books are CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!! Invented by mentally ill goat herders.
I knew as soon as I saw this someone would slam the the bible too.
Muhammad is my least favorite Abrahmic religion founder in terms of hurt caused and scope
of it still going on.
Unlike Jesus/apostles, but like Theodosius 380 AD, Muhammad/next four caliphs
had Muhammad's prophet claim/faith made law. They went on Muslim Conquests from
Spain to the border of China over Muhammad's life, the next hundred years, and
afterward. Others who paid a special tax could live among them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
If the Qur'an can be thought to not prescribe punishment for apostasy alone,
it prescribes death for apostates who create mischief for Allah and the Prophet.
This may be interpreted to refer to apostates who blaspheme, strongly criticize
Allah's Prophet as a false prophet whose law shouldn't be law, a stance reaf-
firmed by hadiths. Execution is still the most popular Muslim choice for pun-
ishment for such apostates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#Blasphemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
It's like the JWs leaders' proselytizing and shunning rules filmed by Tobe
Hooper--the tax is something like non-JWs forced to buy JWs leaders' literature
even though they don't read it. Imagine a TV show about the JWs leaders and
turn up the contrast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobe_Hooper
One example: homosexuality. Secular/scientific sources indicate a small
percent of animals/people are made that way.
P - punish in this life (execution/beat and throw in jail the popular choices)
S - sin punishable in afterlife
N - normal
Orthodox: Judaism--S Christianity--S Islam--P
Conservative: Judaism--S Christianity--S Islam--P
Liberal: Judaism--N Christianity--N Islam--S (Qur'an only)
Note orthodox/conservative Judaism/Christianity are like liberal Islam. The
liberal interpretation works for the NT (Matt. 19:12, etc.), but to have the
liberal Jewish/Christian stance in Islam, you need Reform Islam--you can't in-
terpret the Qur'an (homosexuality is an abomination to be punished) that way,
you have to edit it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Islam
Problem: when a faith is made law with punshments and executions, you have the
ethical/theological dilemma of punishment/execution for arbitrary reasons--
sadism and murder--unless you have proof God requires it for all who have to
accept it. This is alleged for the Ark of the Covenant which was missing by
587/586 BC. It's currently a faith matter that it existed as claimed.
But Muhammad's prophet claim made law resulted in the need for the Qur'an to
be considered a miracle by Muslims and partly serves as an Islamic "Ark of the
Covenant" so the punishments and executions had/have divine prerogative.
There's some debate about that but not to their exclusion. (That's why there
was a special fuss recently when someone made a public show of burning the
Qur'an, for example.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_and_miracles
I won't force the choice about Muhammad or the next several rulers instituting
the punishments/executions, because it doesn't matter for my point. Everyone's
interpretation has Muhammad involved to an important degree--it's impossible to
propose a credible Muhammad that's pacifistic--and otherwise it's whoever the
shoe fits. It's like if Christianity wasn't founded by Jesus/apostles but
cruel Theodosiuses.
The Ark isn't available for testing, but the Qur'an is. Besides Muhammad's
bloozer about homosexuality, it has semen created in the wrong part of the body,
etc. But if you try the "not inerrant historically but infallible for faith"
stance with it and edit it, you could be issued a hostile fatwa.
So the choice Muhammad forced with faith as law, and forced by military his-
tory, and whatever punishment and executions instituted by Muhammad and the next
several leaders, is to be a sadistic bigot (unedited Qur'an) or edit the Qur'an,
deny it's an "Ark of the Covenant" and thereby characterize Muhammad/resultant
rulers as homocidal sadists without the prerogative for punishment and execu-
tion, and risk a hostile fatwa (more murder).
You shouldn't be 'centric, intolerant, and Islamophobic--one poll shows over
90% of Muslims denounce terrorism, etc. But whenever the suggestion to not be
that way comes up, I can't help thinking it's ironic: it was founded by a homo-
phobic bigot, and most Muslims want execution for harshly critical apostates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia
