Questions from JWN readers 1914 & 607 vs 587 (parody)

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  • stuckinamovement

    Questions from JWN Readers

    1914 is a date that many people question. There are seeming inconsistencies in its explanation and interpretation. What is an easy way to understand this important piece of Bible Chronology?

    At Luke 21:24 , Jesus said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations [“the times of the Gentiles,” King James Version ] are fulfilled.”

    When was the appointed times of the nations fulfilled? Let’s calculate this date together using a very simple method.

    (Step 1)

    First we need to go to the Book of Daniel written some 650 years before Christ uttered that prophecy in Luke 21:24. The account in Daniel 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: “Let seven times pass over it.”— Daniel 4:10-16 .

    It is obvious that the tree in the Babylonian King’s dream really represented God’s rulership through the line of King David. Trees in dreams can mean many things, but we are convinced that the meaning of this particular banded tree represents the Kingship of Isreal. How long was this seven times?

    (Step 2)

    Now let’s travel forward in time from the dream seen by Nebuchadnezzar some 700 years to the Book of Revelation to another dream seen by the apostle John……

    Revelation 12:6 , seems to indicate that three and a half times are equal to “a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” This is equal to 3.5 Lunar years of 360 days. Lunar years were commonly used in Bible times. “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days.

    Vs. 14 of Revelation describes “a time, and times, and half a time” It is crystal clear to anyone who is a serious student of the Bible that John meant “a lunar year, and lunar years, and half a lunar year.”

    (Step 3)

    Now let’s travel back in our Bibles some 1500 years to the Book of Numbers. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 which speaks of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” mentioned in Daniel 4 would obviously cover 2,520 solar years of 365.25 days each. (Note that Numbers 14 must be talking about a lunar day for each solar year.)


    The 2,520 solar years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus Christ was installed invisibly as God’s heavenly King. (Note: we know that 607 is the year Jerusalem was destroyed because of counting backwards 70 years from the secularly verifiable date of Babylon’s Destruction in 537 BCE. This is confirmed by secular historians and archaeologists)

    We hope that this lesson on bible chronology has strengthened your faith in the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Is it not thrilling to note that you are living in the historic time of Christ’s presence? Abundant evidence overwhelms us that Christ was enthroned in 1914. Since that pivotal date in mankind’s history the world has seen death and destruction on an unprecedented scale. This deterioration of world events confirms that Christ is now King over all mankind. We are now 100 years into the Christ’s foretold millennial reign.

    It should be noted there are some enemies of God’s Kingdom such as historians, archeologists and astronomers who will point to factual evidence that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587. As true Christians we will allow the 2600 year old bible record to clearly speak the truth about the date of Jerusalem’s destruction. We are confident of this fact from our spirit directed interpretation of two dreams, and three verses from three otherwise unrelated books of the bible, that Jesus has arrived as King.

    Are we not truly grateful to have this clear understanding of Bible Chronology provided by the Governing Body? Let each one of us use this instruction wisely in our ministry and help all to realize that Christ now rules as King!

  • agent zero
    agent zero

    great article! i give it facebook style "like" thumbs up. :P

    the sad part is that if this was really in the WT, the majority of jdubs would probably accept it as deep, well-researched spiritual enlightenment! (except maybe the sentence about historians, archeologists, and astronomers pointing to the factual evidence of 587)

  • wannabefree

    (Note: we know that 607 is the year Jerusalem was destroyed because of counting backwards 70 years from the secularly verifiable date of Babylon’s Destruction in 537 BCE. This is confirmed by secular historians and archaeologists)

    Should be ...

    (Note: we know that 607 is the year Jerusalem was destroyed because of counting backwards 70 years from 537 BCE, because it took Jewish captives two years to return to Jerusalem after the secularly verifiable date of Babylon’s Destruction in 539 BCE. This is confirmed by secular historians and archaeologists)

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Actually it should be:

    We think the first Returnees rededicated the temple site in 537 BCE. We think this marked the end of the 70 Years.


    We think that Judea became devoid of every person when a group of them entered Egypt. We think this marked the start of the 70 years. We think this happened in the same year that Jerusalem was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.


  • Ding

    No wonder we need the FDS in order to understand the Bible.

    I think it's safe to say none of us would have come up with this on our own!

    Nor would we have come up with 1925 based on the jubilee cycles of the OT.

    Oh, wait.. never mind...

  • Bungi Bill
    Bungi Bill

    Talk about quote-mining, numerology - and a vivid imagination! Nobody but a dyed-in-the-wool JW would be impressed.


  • TotallyADD

    You are all wrong. My wife and I saw on the history channel this last weekend that Issac Newton with his mathematical mind predicted the end of the world would come in 2060. As we watch it we thought we were having a WT study on Dan. & Rev. Good job Stuckinamovement. Totally ADD

  • Dutch-scientist


    Lunar year is not 360 days! but 12 times 29,5 day= 354 days!


  • Dutch-scientist

    In the time Of daniel the use an other calnder system then in the time of luke! now we use even an other calender system.

    The meaning of an year has changed many times ( not 7)


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