Some people go to Amsterdam to Shmoke, some go to smoke people.....

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  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42508543/ns/world_news-europe/

    ALPHEN AAN DEN RIJN, Netherlands — A gunman opened fire with a machine gun at a crowded shopping mall outside Amsterdam on Saturday, leaving at least seven people dead and wounding 15 others, officials and witnesses said.

    The attacker was among the dead after fatally shooting himself at the Ridderhof mall in Alphen aan den Rijn, Mayor Bas Eenhoorn said. The suburb is less than 15 miles (25 kilometers) southwest of Amsterdam.

    Eenhoorn said that children were among the victims, but he could not confirm whether they were among the wounded or dead, or both.

    "It's too terrible for words, a shock for us all," he said.

    The gunman's identity was known and it was "all but certain" he acted alone, District Attorney Kitty Nooy said, but investigators were not yet ready to release his name or age. She said he was a native Dutchman from Alphen who has a criminal record.

    Witness Martine Spruit, a 41-year-old receptionist, told The Associated Press she was shopping at a drug store when she heard bangs and people in the store hid behind shelves. When they realized a shooting was taking place, customers shouted for employees to lock the doors.

    "Then we heard the shots getting further away, so he was walking back and forth," she said. "Then we thought we'd have a look and there were two people lying dead near the entrance ... then he came back shooting so we locked the door again."

    Queen Beatrix and Prime Minister Mark Rutte issued statements saying they were shocked and sympathize with the victims and their families.

    A witness identified as Maart Verbeek told state broadcaster NOS the attacker had a machine gun and appeared to be shooting at random.

    "There was a panic in the mall, a lot of people running," said Verbeek, a pet shop owner. "I see the attacker coming, walking, and I go inside the store ... and I see him going by with a big machine gun."

    Hours after the shooting, residents continued to gather at the mall, some of whom appeared to be in a daze.

    "You hear about this sort of thing happening at American schools and you think that's a long way away," said Rob Kuipers, 50, a project manager. "Now it's happened here in the Netherlands."

    Eenhoorn said several other malls in the town were evacuated, but he would not elaborate on the reason. Dutch television broadcasters showed a bomb squad searching a car parked outside the Ridderhof mall that is believed to have belonged to the shooter.

    Nooy said there was "no evidence" to support rumors the gunman was a former soldier, and confirmed his house has also been searched. She would not comment on reports that he left a note.

    Witnesses said he had long blond hair, appeared to be about 25 years old, and wore a leather jacket with camouflage pants.

    A resident who lives near the mall who gave his name as Marijn said the shooting went on for several minutes. When he went to see whether friends working at the mall were OK, he saw the shooter lying dead in front of a grocery store.

    "There was glass everywhere," the resident said. "He was just shooting everywhere as if it were the Wild West."

    Images published by the NOS showed the covered body of the shooter just inside a grocery store.

    With his voice choking at times, Eenhoorn described the incident as a "disaster of unparalleled proportions" for Alphen, known as a quiet residential suburb, and it was all the more shocking because it took place on one of the first sunny days of spring.

    "Under these circumstances, with many people shopping at the Ridderhof today, including parents with children, it's an almost incomprehensible situation," he said.

    Although rare, shootings and violence are not unknown in the Netherlands. In 1999, four students and a teacher were hurt in a school shooting and in 2004, a teacher was shot dead by a student.

    There have also been two assassinations in the past decade, the 2002 killing of right wing politician Pim Fortuyn by an animal rights activist and the 2004 murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh by an Islamic extremist.

    In 2009, a loner drove his car into a group of bystanders during a royal parade, killing eight and wounding 10.

    Gun permits are difficult to obtain, but illegal automatic weapons and ammunition are frequently seized during drug busts.

    Two people were killed in Alphen in a drug-related shooting several weeks ago. Nooy said investigators do not believe the incidents are linked. She said investigators were trying to trace the gun or guns used in the attack.

    One unidentified witness on NOS television said he saw the shooter reload the magazine of his machine gun and continue to fire.

    Police commissioner Jan Stikvoort denied reports police were slow to respond, saying they arrived while the shooting was ongoing and reached the gunman just as the shooting stopped.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Well, damn! Amsterdam always seemed so friendly. The shooting wont stop me from returning but I will be a little more cautious in the future.

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    So sad.

  • WingCommander
    WingCommander

    Sorry to be picky, but if he had an automatic rifle he was carrying around and reloaded the magazines, than it wasn't a "machine gun".

    I seriously doubt this guy had a belt fed M-60 machine gun. He may have had an HK MP5 or even an UZI, but those are technically "Sub-Machine Guns".

    The uneducated fear-mongering liberals who write these fear-inducing articles should really know what the hell they are talking about before trying to scare the shit out of everyone else. They only come off as the doucehbags that they are.

    - Wing Commander

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    I'm checking the news now - I read Dutch. So far the word used to describe the gun is automatic vuurwapen. if it were a handgun the'd use a different word. So, that could be a demilitarised light infantry rife. like an AR15 or AK-47, but with no rapid fire option. It could also be the rapid fire military versions of the same. It might be an SMG, but then might use a different word. I would say the later, no exact details I have read yet.

    Note the cultural difference; gun ownership in NL is vanishingly low; a US incident would likely include exact details of the gun as it would pressume interest and knowledge. In comparsion Dutch people have neither interest in or knowledge the knowledge of what an AK-47 is. Someone went round a mall shooting people with a military weapon which he should not have had, not a legally-held hunting rifle (which is what the vast majority of Dutch gun owners tend to own}.

    He shoudn't have had it; details will follow as to how he got it. But not at Wal-Marts, et. al.

  • Borgia
    Borgia

    Abaddon, that's legal gun ownership is vanishingly low.

    Allegedly he has a history of illegal gun possession at age 17 but was granted 5 licences later on. The fact that the police do not know what type of gun it is is quite remarkable. It is something that can easily be verified, especially with the latests smart phones. AK-47 and it's derivates are quite well known even among the TV watching populace. THe shape and size are quite distinct. The same goes for the M-16/AR15. Uzi's are well known as well.

    Carrying a gun in public is quite ... unusual. Guns are only allowed at the shooting range and storage is inspected and should be secure.

    Terrible event. It will probably further limit the legal possession of guns because the politicians seem to think that if you outlaw guns, the public will feel safer forgetting that a gun needs a trigger happy finger.

    Cheers

    Borgia

  • VampireDCLXV
    VampireDCLXV

    Well, ppl are ppl no matter what part of the world they're in. These kinda things are sad but not entirely avoidable. If someone wants a gun really badly, they'll get it somehow.

    V665V665

  • adaen.europe
    adaen.europe

    If you plan to visit Amsterdam, send me a message. I would be glad to go with you to the best places here

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