If you watch this entire debate, it becomes painfully obvious that molesty catholic priest guy is full of shit when trying to justify belief in a god. He even goes so far, in part 5, to assert that secularism/atheism will result in tryanny, eugenics, consentration camps, etc. when history clearly shows that a belief in God has ALWAYS been at the root of such atrocities and immorality. Lunacy.
The Source of Human Morality (Debate)
by PublishingCult 2 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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wobble
Haven't time at present to watch it, I'm supposed to be working, and worse, doing some tasks the Boss (aka Mrs Wobble) has left me.
But a question comes to mind, the Atheist/Humanists who lead good lives, where do their morals come from ?
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PublishingCult
But a question comes to mind, the Atheist/Humanists who lead good lives, where do their morals come from ?
The religious man will tell you that the source of an atheist's morality is God. The atheist knows, however, that what was immoral before the ten commandments is immoral today, i.e., slavery, murder, rape, lying, stealing. Men knew these things on a conscious level long before Moses, and didn't need to belief in a god to accept various principles of morality. You learn these things by simply living among others in any sort of a family and/or community. It doesn't take a god to show us the results of our actions so that we may determine what is right and what is wrong, what is just and in the best interests of an entire community.
The Christian tends to conveniently forget or ignore the fact that the God they believe in and serve is, historically, a very immoral god. He commanded his people to steal, rape, molest children, kidnap, enslave, persecute, commit incest, and murder other human beings. Their God has proven to be jealous and petty, merciless and vindictive. It took secularists to point out, for example, that even though slavery is clearly sanctioned by God himself, it is highly immoral. The Church was not self-correcting, but required the intervention of other men, secular men of a higher moral standard than that of their god to put an end to slavery. The Church, in acquiescing to this higher moral standard, just the same had to tell their god that he was wrong. His own followers slapped down the infallible god and his infallible word, so to speak; clear evidence that, if he exists, he is an impotent feckless thug, and what he commands can easily be overturned by the popular morality of rational men.