July 2009 Awake!

by notofthe144000 7 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • notofthe144000
    notofthe144000

    Good Day ;) I am new to the forum, and am very happy to be here (and not a JW any longer)!!

    I am trying to get my hands on a July 2009 Awake, which many of you know to be the one the GB blatenly showed their hypocrisy, with regard to DFing/shunning.

    Anywho, I know I can just go to a KH and ask for one, but I don't need the elders asking if I want to "repent" and come back....etc..

    What is funny is I just had two witness come to my door a few minutes ago and they asked for "spanish speaking" people. Wouldn't you think if this was the TRUTH and they would want everyone to know, not try and be political about the spanish speaking vs. english speaking territories???

    If anyone has one/can spare on can get there hands on one, I would appreciate getting my hands on it so I can use it in a conversation with my family.

    I have been DF'd for 20ys. now, and can honestly tell you things have been ok up til about 8mo. algo. I know the "The Flock..." elders book/guide came out and was heavy handed with regard to their rules about DF'd people/family, so I have recently felt the shunning in a big way.

    Thanks so much!

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    It's not the flock book, since only elders get that (and anyone that downloads it off the internets). Things have been more hardline lately in assembly parts and the literature. Remember the JW will think that article only applies to other people, NOT JWs.

  • therevealer
    therevealer

    *** g 7/09 pp. 28-29 Is It Wrong to Change Your Religion? ***
    The Bible's Viewpoint
    Is It Wrong to Change Your Religion?
    When Avtar began studying the Bible, her Sikh family was upset. "In my homeland," she says, "changing your religion cuts you off from the community. Even our names have religious meaning. To change your religion is viewed as rejecting your identity and disrespecting your family."
    AVTAR eventually became one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Was she wrong to change her religion? Perhaps you identify with her family. You may feel that your religion is inextricably linked with family history and culture and should not be changed.
    Honoring one's family is important. The Bible says: "Listen to your father who caused your birth." (Proverbs 23:22) But it is more important to seek to know the truth about our Creator and his purposes. (Isaiah 55:6) Is such a search possible? If so, how important is this search to you?
    Searching for Religious Truth
    The world's religions teach conflicting ideas. Logically, those teachings cannot all be true. As a result, there must be many people who, as the Bible says, "have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge." (Romans 10:2) Yet, as recorded at 1 Timothy 2:4, the apostle Paul says that it is God's will that "all sorts of men . . . come to an accurate knowledge of truth." How can such accurate knowledge be found?
    Consider reasons for examining the Bible. Paul, who was an inspired Bible writer, stated: "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching." (2 Timothy 3:16) As part of your search for truth, examine the evidence that the Bible's claim is true. Investigate for yourself its unparalleled wisdom, historical accuracy, and fulfilled prophecy.
    Instead of presenting all religions as equal approaches to God, the Bible tells its readers not to believe everything they hear but to "test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God." (1 John 4:1) For example, any teaching that truly originates with God must be in harmony with his personality, including his dominant quality of love.-1 John 4:8.
    The Bible assures us that God wants us to "really find him." (Acts 17:26, 27) Since our Creator wants us to search for truth, it cannot be wrong to act on the evidence that we find-even if this means changing our religion. But what about the problems that this may bring?
    Balancing Family Loyalty
    When people change their beliefs, they may decide that they will no longer share in certain religious rituals or holidays. Understandably, this can result in strong feelings within the family. Jesus acknowledged this. He told his followers: "I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law." (Matthew 10:35) Did Jesus mean that Bible teachings were designed to be an unavoidable cause of contention? No. He simply foresaw what could happen when family members react negatively to one who takes a firm stand for beliefs different from theirs.
    Should family conflict be avoided at all costs? The Bible teaches that children should be obedient to parents and that wives should be in subjection to their husbands. (Ephesians 5:22; 6:1) However, it instructs those who love God to "obey God as ruler rather than men." (Acts 5:29) Thus, at times, loyalty to God may result in your making a decision that is unpopular with some family members.
    Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. Does study of the Bible lead to family breakup? No. In fact, the Bible encourages a husband and wife who practice different religions to remain together as a family.-1 Corinthians 7:12, 13.
    Overcoming Fears
    You may fear how the community will react if you study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses. Mariamma says: "My family was worried that I would not be able to find a suitable husband who could provide for me. So they opposed my Bible study." Mariamma put her trust in Jehovah God and continued studying. (Psalm 37:3, 4) You can do the same. Rather than fear the results, consider the benefits. The Bible's message changes lives and personalities for the better. People learn to show unselfish love for their family. Bad habits, such as verbal and physical violence and abuse of alcohol and drugs, can be overcome. (2 Corinthians 7:1) The Bible promotes such wholesome traits as loyalty, honesty, and industriousness. (Proverbs 31:10-31; Ephesians 4:24, 28) Why not study the Bible and see the benefits of applying its teachings in your life?
    HAVE YOU WONDERED?
    ? Why examine your religious beliefs?-Proverbs 23:23; 1 Timothy 2:3, 4.
    ? How can you identify true teachings?-2 Timothy 3:16; 1 John 4:1.
    ? Should family opposition prevent you from studying the Bible?-Acts 5:29.
    [Blurb on page 29]
    The Bible's message changes lives and personalities for the better
    [Picture on page 29]
    Mariamma and her husband

  • notofthe144000
    notofthe144000

    You are correct!!

    Their favorite line is, "your taking that out of context"...but after reading it there's not much to take out of context.

    I know they are being fed info. in the assemblies and meetings from the "flock" book, not that my family is actuallly reading it, I realize that and honestly I'm not looking to win, just to point it out... :)

    thnx!

  • looloo
    looloo

    i sent that article to my father in law who is ex elder but hasnt attended meetings for years after he asked my hubby (his disfellowshipped son) not to come to the house anymore as it made things "difficult " for his die hard wife and other jw children . he was very cross and said it wasnt talking about jehovahs witnesses ! cant reason with brainwashed folk !

  • notofthe144000
    notofthe144000

    thanks therevealer! I can peruse the details easier here..

    I have seen pdfs of it also. If I can get my hands on the actual copy...it would first suprise my family because in the 20 years DF'd I have NEVER had a debate or questioned much...so if I had an acutal copy whilst speaking with them, it would throw their "brainwashed" (I agree with you looloo) minds off a bit, time enough for me to get my reasonings in. ;)

    The shunning is the worst, it just destroys families, and if you believe in a God as creator/God in general, why would he want and encourage (per the Bible, that misc. men wrote, their own accounts or memories) this type of behavior?

    ahhh the wonders of religion...the chaos of organized religion....

  • notofthe144000
    notofthe144000

    http://www.jwfacts.com/

    This site is where I originally found the scan of the article.....scroll down and you will see "ironic quote" and the page numbers can be clicked on to find the scan.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    It's their religion. It their magazine. Make them get it, then ask them to read it to you.

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