A City older than Sumer

by Earnest 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Heard a report on the radio this morning of a large civilization 4000 years before Sumer. There was also mention that it had been destroyed by a flood which was attributed to melting ice. I wasn't quite awake at the time but this article in yesterday's Indian Express provides some details. The link is http://www.indian-express.com/ie20020117/top6.html

    Whether or not this is relevant to the Bible account of the flood it will certainly mean a completely new understanding of the rise of civilization if the dating proves to be true.

    The newspaper account follows :

    ‘Gulf of Cambay has a city older than Sumer’
    EXPRESS NEWS SERIVCE

    NEW DELHI, JANUARY 16: AN innocuous piece of wood along with a slew of artefacts are set to push back Indian antiquity to 7,500 B.C., if material picked up from the sea-bed of the Gulf of Cambay gets scientific verification.
    The carbon dating of the wooden artefact, which was recently carried out by the Birbal Sahani Institute of Palaeobotony and the National Geophysical Research Institute, indicates that the settlements, accidentally discovered by a team of oceanographers, could be one of the oldest Neolithic sites discovered in India till date.

    The discovery follows a series of surveys conducted by the National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT) during 2000 to 2001. According to Dr B. Sasisekaran, research associate in the National Science Academy, ‘‘The carbon dating of 7,500 B.C. obtained for the wooden piece recovered from the site changes the earlier held view that the first cities appeared on the horizon around 3,500 B.C. (the Sumer valley around circa 3000 B.C. and at Harappa circa 2500 B.C.)’’.
    The material collected at the site include artefacts, possible construction elements with holes and studs, pot shreds, beads and fossil bones.
    At a press conference today, Minister for Science and Technology and Ocean Development, Murli Manohar Joshi, said, ‘‘The impact of these discoveries will be far-reaching. Not only would they link various theories regarding earliest human settlements in the country, it would also open avenues for understanding the geomorphic characteristics of the Gulf of Cambay.’’ The presence of an archaeological site indicative of a very ancient culture in the Gulf of Cambay was first announced by the ministry in May last year.
    Subsequently, further underwater explorations were carried out in the area which yielded a cache of artifacts suggesting an ancient culture.
    Professor S.N. Rajguru, former joint director and head of department of Archaeology at Deccan College, said, ‘‘These collections representan exciting breakthrough in offshore archaeology. The findings indicate that the entire landscape between Bhavnagar and Hazira were probably connected around 7,000 B.C.’’

    The acoustic images of the area present channel-like features, indicating the presence of a river in the region ‘‘Geometrical structures and the antiquities have been discovered in an area only within 200 m adjoining the channel indicating human activity on the banks of the river that was present at that time,’’ Prof Rajguru added.
    Having discovered indications of a possible settlement earlier in 2001, NIOT scientists undertook a confirmatory survey in November 2001 in the Gulf of Cambay area, by using advanced marineunderwater survey techniques with side-scan sonar and sub-bottom profiler.
    Images taken of the site revealed structures similar to staircases, temples and bathrooms, said Joshi, adding that further investigations were necessary.
    He said the findings would be submitted to scientific journals within 10-15 days.‘‘Further investigation of this area is important as this has implications and might throw some light on the development of human
    civilisation, besides having a bearing on Indian history,’’ Joshi
    said.
    Accordingly, the government has decided to form a specialised group of archaeological experts from NIOT, National Institute of Oceanography, Archaeological Survey of India, Physical Research Laboratory, Lucknow and BSIP and NGRI.

    Earnest

    "Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!" - Rev. Charles Dodgson

  • Thomas Poole
    Thomas Poole

    The carbon-14 dating method is not much good beyond 3500 years.

    I looked it up, checked it out, from a verbatim article about those who originally developed the process.

    Your referenced article sounds very very interesting though. Perhaps they have something pre-deluvian.

  • rem
    rem

    Thomas,

    The carbon-14 dating method is not much good beyond 3500 years.
    Huh? Carbon 14 dating is good out to about 50,000 years. Do you have a cite?

    Here is an explanation of C14 dating methods for laypersons:

    http://www.howstuffworks.com/carbon-14.htm

    rem

    "We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
  • badboy
    badboy

    What BS you are talking,Thomas Poole,they have bored into a lake in Japan and worked that something that is 3,000 years in Carbon-14 is actually 3,500 years in calendar years.
    Like the Watchtower,you are quoting out of date sources.
    Check up to date souces of information

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Thomas,

    I have to agree with rem on this. In conventional radiocarbon dating , the upper age limit is determined by the level of background count-rate. This refers to the effects of any radiation other than Carbon-14. For old samples the Carbon-14 content is small and may not be distinguishable above the background level. While the limit varies from laboratory to laboratory it is typically in the region of 40000 years.

    That is not to say Carbon-14 dating within the 40000 year limit is infallible. There are some assumptions made which may not be strictly correct, namely :

    The atmosphere has had the same Carbon-14 concentration in the past as now;
    The biosphere has the same overall concentration as the atmosphere and there has been rapid mixing of Carbon-14 between the two reservoirs;
    The same Carbon-14 concentration exists in all parts of the biosphere;
    The death of a plant or animal is the point at which it ceases to exchange with the environment;
    After ceasing exchange, the Carbon-14 concentration in a plant or animal is only affected by radioactive decay.

    I await the report on this find in scientific journals with great interest.

    Earnest

    "Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!" - Rev. Charles Dodgson

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