Will an unnumbered great crowd survive the great tribulation?

by wannabe 3 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • wannabe
    wannabe

    Will an unnumbered great crowd survive the Great Tribulation?

    There isn't any one of us who wouldn't like to believe, an unnumbered Crowd will survive the Great Tribulation, after the War of Armageddon is fought to a finish, is there?

    But shouldn't we ask ourselves if that is logical, or even sensible to believe that, in spite of what we'd like to see occur? The first point to consider is, does the Bible itself really support that idea? Could we supply the custumary two or three witness from the Bible, to solidly support that belief, as Paul directed us to do? {2 Corinthians 13:1} Was we to gather those witnesses, in which direction do we suppose they would point? Would they point to a great unnumbered crowd of surivors, or conversely, would they point to only a very few? Should not the Bible be the very last word on any subject, whether we like that word or not? Of course if it pointed to only a few, that would be, to say the least very upsetting to most of us, would it not?

    From where does this teaching originate in the first place? Was it not from the governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses who first began pushing this teaching? Even telling us that they were the ones gathering this great unnumbered crowd? They have been operational for at least 130 years, now, more or less. so it's taken them all that time to gather 7 Million publishers now going door-to-door preaching this good news of the Kingdom. Based on that figure, how long do we suppose it would take them to gather another 7 Million? Which would still only give them 14 Million publishers. Let's assume they could convert the entire World of Mankind's population. That would give them in their ranks up to this present moment in time, eight Billion publishers. Would that, even then, give them an unnumbered great crowd?

    Don't overlook the fact too, that they have established a record of 130 years of failed predictions and false prophecies, so they are not really a trust-worthy source of Bible interpretations; and prettly nearly anything they teach would have to be taken with a grain or two of salt. More especially their teaching on this great unnumbered crowd surviving the great tribulation. Because from what I've been able to learn through my studies of the Bible just does not support a great unnumberred crowd surviving the great tribulation at all.

    Would not the God of the Bible know the final outworking of his War of Armageddon? What did he inspire one of his faithful Prophets to Pen about his War of Armageddon? Look at that now:

    18 "Your silver and gold will not save you on that day of the Lord’s anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth." {Zephaniah 1:14-18 NLT}

    Someone tell me please, just how you can get an unnumbered great crowd, when all the people on this earth have been brought to a terrifying end? Isaiah predicted the same World Destruction, but he reported on a small bit of good news, as you'll see:

    Destruction of the Earth

    1 "Look! The Lord is about to destroy the earth and make it a vast wasteland. He devastates the surface of the earth and scatters the people.2 Priests and laypeople, servants and masters, maids and mistresses,buyers and sellers,lenders and borrowers, bankers and debtors—none will be spared.3 The earth will be completely emptied and looted.The Lord has spoken! 4 The earth mourns and dries up, and the crops waste away and wither.Even the greatest people on earth waste away.5 The earth suffers for the sins of its people, for they have twisted God’s instructions,violated his laws,and broken his everlasting covenant.6 Therefore, a curse consumes the earth.Its people must pay the price for their sin.They are destroyed by fire, and only a few are left alive." {Isaiah 24:1-6 NLT}

    This will be when the entire empire of Religion will get theirs, "Priests and Lay People." for their twisted teachings of the Trinity, the immortality of the human soul, torment in a fiery Hell for all eternity teachings, with as Isaiah tells us only a few survivors. left alive; but definitely no unnumbered great crowd. It will work out as Jesus had said:

    13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." {Matthew 7:13,14 NLT}

    Just who is it, would have us all believe a great unnumbered crowd will survive Armageddon? Satan! "Put your feet up Boys and Girls, you got it made in the shade. Nothing to worry about! An unnumbered great crowd of you will make it out alive." What did Jesus say about that? Take a look:

    He said to them: 24 "Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell YOU, will seek to get in but will not be able, 25 when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and YOU start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Sir, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from.’ 26 Then YOU will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in front of you, and you taught in our broad ways.’ 27 But he will speak and say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from. Get away from me, all YOU workers of unrighteousness!’ {Luke 13:24-27 NWT}

    It is clearly obvious they are not properly understanding the scripture at Revelation 7:9-17} A subject for another time. Only to say, a Crowd as large as the one John Mentioned would have to come out of the resurrection of the dead. It could not possibly come from any other source. Isaiah and Jesus would never tell us there were only a few, if a great unnumbered crowd was to survive the great tribulation. Add to that, Zephaniah would never have told us the entire inhabited earth was to be exterminated, if a Great unnumbered Crowd was to survive the great tribulation. That would have made three of the Prophet's of God liars, and that could never ever, be the case. Especially could the Son of God ever be. He was a lover of the Truth. He said, only a few! Take it to the Bank! That's what it will be! Wannabe

  • gubberningbody
    gubberningbody

    If you want a discussion, you have to allow for a development of a thought.

    This means you start with a question.

    ...a short question, and then you allow for others to add their ideas as the discussion develops.

    This style of essay posting is not conducive to a discussion.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Will an unnumbered great crowd survive the Great Tribulation?

    There isn't any one of us who wouldn't like to believe, an unnumbered Crowd will survive the Great Tribulation, after the War of Armageddon is fought to a finish, is there?

    But shouldn't we ask ourselves if that is logical, or even sensible to believe that, in spite of what we'd like to see occur? The first point to consider is, does the Bible itself really support that idea? Could we supply the custumary two or three witness from the Bible, to solidly support that belief, as Paul directed us to do?

    Before answering question one, one would need to prove that a "Great Tribulation" is imminent. Simply using the article "the" before it doesn't make it so.

    Likewise for "the" "War of Armageddon." Before addressing our beliefs about an aftermath, it needs to be established via evidence.

    And finally, before considering whether the Bible supports any of the above ideas, it is prudent to consider whether the Bible should be taken at face value and used as reliable evidence of anything at all.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Well, I will add something. If they are right and only those who are sincere are allowed to survive, very few would actually make it. First, you have to be sincere. Those just doing the motions would not qualify, as would those who could be doing more than they already are. That means those who spend more time at Starbucks or wandering around the territory than actually knocking at doors, or those wasting time knocking on doors where there is no reasonable chance of getting an answer, would not make it.

    Another disqualifying reason is why are you in it. Those in it for the power would definitely not qualify, if you believe their littera-trash. You have to be in it for pure reasons, which is because you sincerely believe it's the truth and want to help others to find the truth. As we know, too many are not in it for the truth but for the power.

    Also, you cannot question anything. If you are in it for the truth, and the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger puts out something that is blatantly wrong, you still have to believe and teach the bad teaching until they themselves fix it. Yet, your motive still has to be to help others find the truth.

    Now, I don't think too many reasonably intelligent people fit all this. At that, I think the "great(??)" crowd would be quite thin--you would be looking at maybe triple digit numbers of survivors, not 7 figures.

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