Who really is the Faithful Slave?

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  • wannabe
    wannabe

    Who Really is The Faithful Slave?

    Not so long ago I had a conversation with one of the Witnesses at my door, and I drew his attention to the fact that nowhere in Matthew 24 - Mark13 - Luke 21 did Jesus mention any appointed Organization on the earth, when he gave the sign of his coming. I pointed out to him that all Jesus foretold was the prevalence of many false Prophets. So, I said: "How do we tell which Organization today is appointed?" I felt that, that was an honest question that deserved an honest answer. His answer to my question was to direct my attention to Matthew 24:45 Which itself asks the question, "Who really is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in HIS Household to give them their food at the proper time? So, his answer to my question, was to point me to a scripture, that literally asked the same question that I did. To him another question directed at me from the pages of the Bible was the answer to the question I had asked him. So, as it turned out, I was dealing with someone that was some-what of a dim-bulb. That was a short conversation, that day.

    I sat down later and got my Bible out and turned to that scripture, and thought I'd put it under the Micro-scope, which I did. The first thing I noticed, is, if you begin with the idea the Master is the Christ you'll right away be thrown off track; which I tbink is what the witnesses do. Being too terrified to question the Slave, they just eat what they are fed without any question. That's the beauty of being a loner, you can throw your own brain in to high gear and really get going. As Jehovah intended us to do, I might add. Look closely at what that scripture is saying, and you'll get a few surprises. Notice what it is saying:

    45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master hasput in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?"{Matthew 24:45 NIV}

    To begin with, we're looking for a Faithful and wise servant, who has been put in charge of the servants in his masters household to give out food at the proper time. Now the Household it tells us belongs to the Master. Right from the outset, the master has put the faithful and wise servant in charge of the servants in his household. It is this faithful and wise servant that supplies the food at the proper time, to the other servants of the household.

    The question now is, whose household is in question here?

    19"Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone." {Ephesians 2:18-20 NIV}

    So,we're dealing here with God's Household! That makes the Master of this parable, the one who put in charge, the faithful and wise servant, over the other servants of his household. That dispenses this food, Jehovah God. Now we must learn who the Head of this House is, and that shouldn't be too hard to do:

    24"A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household!{Matthew 10:24-26 NIV}

    "{Mark 21"When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." 22And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons." 3So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan." {Mark 3:21-23 NIV}

    Thus far we have learned, it was God's house in question in this parable. We have learned that Jesus was the head of God's House; as such he would be the one to supply the food at the proper time. Further proof that Jesus was over God's House:

    5"Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. 6 But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast." {Hebrews 3:5-7 NIV}

    1"Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. 2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. 3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself." {Hebrews 3:1-3 NIV}

    3"Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5 Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future." {Hebrews 3:3-5 NIV} This point God is the builder of everything, puts Jehovah in the seat of the Master in the parable under discussion. The faithful and wise servant put in charge of the other servants was Jesus. Jesus is the head of the house. The Members of the congregation constituted the house itself.

    As head of the household, the Christ, would be the one to supply the food at the proper time. His Father being in first position in the parable, would of course recieve the greater honor, since Jehovah is the builder of everything. While reading that parable keep in mind It is Jehovah is the Master doing the appointing of his Son too office as the faithful and wise servant. To give out the spiritual food supplies at the proper time.

    How did Jesus himself make us aware that it was he that was the faithful slave in the parable in Matthew 24:45? Notice what he tells us here:

    15"I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you." {John 15:15 NIV} He never took credit for what he taught, as we'll see:

    16"Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me." {John 7:16 NIV} Note that point! Who taught whom?

    27"They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him."{John 8:27-29 NIV}

    Is it not true the Faithful Slave would be our teacher? Look who was in the first Cenrury:

    8 "But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; forOne is your Teacher, theChrist, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ." {Matthew 23:8-10 NKJV} Has anything changed? I don't think so:

    8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever:{Hebrews 13:8 NKJV}

    Who was the head of the Christian Congregation in the first Century? Has that changed? I don't think so:

    21"far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way" {Ephesians 1:21-23 NIV}

    How did he carry on his teaching after his ascension?

    11" want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." Galations 1:11,12 NIV}

    1"For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you, 3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly." {Ephesians 3:3 NIV}

    1"Therevelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.: {Revelation 1:1,2 NIV}

    This last scripture in the Revelation account, is a prime example, of the true Master of the parable, giving the food at the proper time to his Son to give to John. From there John takes it, and testifies to everything he saw, and heard about the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Both Paul and John were members of the true anointed class, but they themselves did not supply the food at the proper time; it was given to them by the true faithful slave of the parable in Marttew 24:45- Jesus Christ!

    None of the true anointed class in the first Century, would have told anyone they were the Faithful Slave of the Parable in Matthew 24:45- They would have known to exalt themselves that high would constitute a long drop when they fell, and they would have known they would surely fall, at some point in time. Just as the governing body is slated for a fall. Just when? We don't know, but it must occur eventually.

    They are truly an audacious lot, trying to convince others that they have the control of the Holy Spirit, which one would quite definitely need in order to supply that food at the proper time. That is the one thing the sets the Christ high above them. Too bad they didn't have control of it, for the one hundred and thirty year record of failed predictions and false prophecies they have made. Had they of had it, or even its guidance and direction that record would not exist today. "God's mis-directed Spirit Organization is a more accurate description of them, I'd say.

    Who REALLY ISN'T the Faithful Slave?The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses! Who Really is? Jesus Christ the Son of God!

    The Apostle John will aid us in getting the sense of that by his words penned in the Revelation account, and notice the order in which this food in question is passed down:

    1"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."{Revelation 1:1,2 NIV}

    First God gives this Revelation to the Christ; Christ in turn sends his Angel to John. What does John do with it? It tells us, he testifies to the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ. By receieving this Revelation, or food at the proper time, John now has a work to do, of bearing witness to Jesus. Don't let this fact escape notice. Jehovah has given this Revelation to his Son, the true Faithful Slave, the Faithful Slave, as we might expect, gives this food to John, and John in turn begins his work.

    17 "Then the dragon was very angry at the woman, and he went off to make war against all her other children—those who obey God's commands and who have the message Jesus taught." {Revelation 12:17 NCV}

    17"So then the dragon was furious (enraged) at the woman, and he went away to wage war on the remainder of her descendants--[on those] who obey God's commandments and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ [and adhere to it and bear witness to Him." {Revelation 12:17 AB}

    The New Worlds Translation words this, "Who have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." Which the members of the household, would do under the direction of the head of the house, the Christ, as he imparted the food at the proper time for it.

    6"The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place." {Revelation 22:6 NIV}

    It becomes obvious that the point of origin for this Faithful Slave, was in the Heavenly Realm, and the angel Jehovah sent to show his servants what must shortly take place, was none other than the Christ himself; the true Faithful Slave of the parable in Mattew 24:45-

    It is said, that the Popes make claim, that they are the "vicar [or representative] of the Christ;" even going as far as claiming they are "God on earth." So, if anyone believes the Governing Bodies claim that they are the Faithful Slave of the parable in Matthew 24:45 then they might just as well believe what the Popes claim as well. One claim is as ridiculous as the other; both are hilariously funny. Their self-exaltation, is heaven high, and was you to fall from that height, the crash when bottom is hit would resound around this entire World, so best get out the ear plugs, because they are coming down when the words of the Prophet Isaiah are fulfilled. {Isaiah 2:10-22}

    The they'll all know, just who the Faithful Slave REALLY IS! Wannabe

    Notice! Paul tells us, he received a revelation from Jesus Christ?

    The Apostle John will also reveal the same kind of teaching, as Paul was receiving. All from the invisible heavens:

  • JosephMalik
    JosephMalik

    The first thing I noticed, is, if you begin with the idea the Master is the Christ you'll right away be thrown off track; which I think is what the witnesses do.

    Wannabe,

    Taking a look at the entire parable wannabe what did I find:

    Matt 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Now would the Father ever say that this Jesus was an evil servant? Would Jesus ever say my master delayed his coming? Or would the Lord of that servant Jesus cut him asunder and appoint him with the hypocrites? There is a bit longer version of this in Luke given in response to Peter‘s question. 41 Peter asked," (Lord," as you telling this parable to us," or ‘to everyone”

    Luke 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

    43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

    Division, rejection that is what the master tells us will take place in the masters household. The comments already given stay the same. Now who is the master that is coming? Who will have all authority at that time? Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    So I have no problem with looking at this verse with Christ in charge as some teach. I would not jump around to other verses not given in the same context to come to another conclusion. The best way to deal with such verses is to stay with them for the answer. Of course the Father is over all but we are only dealing with the human part that is this particular masters mission and the one who commanded us and appointed us to go teach all nations. Such a command then makes us His slaves.

    Who then is this Faithful slave? Truthfully we do not know because only the master can answer that question when he comes and this has not happened yet. But who should be the Faithful slave, provided that this slave is really faithful? Well it should be us as disciples following His commandments. But as stated in Luke: 47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Just saying we are disciples is not enough. We can be beaten with many stripes and thrown out with the hypocrites. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. Or we can be shown mercy and accepted into the kingdom to correct all this then. But to the ones that are truly faithful: 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. You see the slave consists of individuals not denominations. And they are not judged as a group but individually based upon what they know and did before their resurrection by this master

    Joseph

  • Mall Cop
    Mall Cop

    We are not your faithful and discreet slave. For 30 years ( 1897-1927 ) the society's official teaching was that Russell was Jesus' faithful and discreet slave.

    Therefore the official teaching was that the society was not that slave.

    Witnesses do not get the sense of what this means.

    Blueblades

  • agonus
    agonus

    Infidels.

    CLEARLY, Matthew 24:45 is referring to a group of 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses represented by a Governing Body of a handful of guys in Brooklyn Heights since the Faithful Slave feeds itself as a CLASS but not as individuals.

    Stop taking this verse with the surrounding context or you'll never learn The Truth.

  • wantingtruth
    wantingtruth

    well,

    I have found one person who fits Jesus description !

    wantingtruth

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Please read this very carefully, wannabe.

    The first thing I noticed, is, if you begin with the idea the Master is the Christ you'll right away be thrown off track; which I think is what the witnesses do.

    Wannabe,

    Taking a look at the entire parable wannabe what did I find:

    Matt 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Now would the Father ever say that this Jesus was an evil servant? Would Jesus ever say my master delayed his coming? Or would the Lord of that servant Jesus cut him asunder and appoint him with the hypocrites? There is a bit longer version of this in Luke given in response to Peter‘s question. 41 Peter asked," (Lord," as you telling this parable to us," or ‘to everyone”

    Luke 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

    43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

    Division, rejection that is what the master tells us will take place in the masters household. The comments already given stay the same. Now who is the master that is coming? Who will have all authority at that time? Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    So I have no problem with looking at this verse with Christ in charge as some teach. I would not jump around to other verses not given in the same context to come to another conclusion. The best way to deal with such verses is to stay with them for the answer. Of course the Father is over all but we are only dealing with the human part that is this particular masters mission and the one who commanded us and appointed us to go teach all nations. Such a command then makes us His slaves.

    Who then is this Faithful slave? Truthfully we do not know because only the master can answer that question when he comes and this has not happened yet. But who should be the Faithful slave, provided that this slave is really faithful? Well it should be us as disciples following His commandments. But as stated in Luke: 47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Just saying we are disciples is not enough. We can be beaten with many stripes and thrown out with the hypocrites. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. Or we can be shown mercy and accepted into the kingdom to correct all this then. But to the ones that are truly faithful: 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. You see the slave consists of individuals not denominations. And they are not judged as a group but individually based upon what they know and did before their resurrection by this master

  • wannabe
    wannabe

    Joseph Malic!

    Just as there would be a Faithful Slave, Jesus was there telling you there would also be an evil type Slave class. Such-like as the Governing Body. One that would beat their fellow slaves, as the Governing Body has done now for many years. So, my friend it's a matter of understanding what you are reading. Paul told told you one would sit down in the Temple of God professing to be God. He was to have a verbal message or letter that had the appearence of coming from the true Apostle's, Paul said. Jesus also foretold one that would look so close to the truth it might possibly mislead the chosen ones. Read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 pair it up with Matthew 24:24 Both were talking about the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. Ezekiel Chapter 34 foretold this bullying Organization. Read that you will get a surprise there, about how they have shoved the flock around. Specifically verses 4, 21 Wannbe

  • JosephMalik
    JosephMalik

    Wannabe,

    I was responding to your comment that Jesus was the Faithful slave in that prophecy. But: "evil type Slave class" is not found in scripture. Judgment is on an individual basis not by class.

    Joseph

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