Faith

by joelingeorgia 2 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • joelingeorgia
    joelingeorgia

    I'm not sure that I had a strong faith in anything ever. I think as a small child I had faith in my

    parents and my brother. My father and brother let me down pretty early in life, so that faith was

    gone. I had faith in the friends at the Kingdom Hall and a few teachers and a few non-witness friends.

    I can't remember ever having faith in god. I looked at things from a logical and/or rational point of

    view from very early in life. But I did believe in the idealistic "New Order" where everyone would

    be friends and no one would suffer. Rev. 21:3,4 had always been my favorite scripture and the one

    I used for years as a pioneer to open discussions at the door. While pioneering I discovered a number

    of irrationalities in what I was teaching to my Bible studies. I soon left the pioneer work. I was

    at Bethel for a brief time before confessing that I was gay. What I saw at Bethel shook my faith in

    the possibility of a new order because what I saw there was basically a bureacracy headed by men

    who were not good leaders and generally did not show the love that I expected. To sum up,

    I do not have faith. I think this has led me to being an unhappier person. Can faith and logic

    exist in unison or are they mutually exclusive. I'm interested in your thoughts.

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    Faith is the belief in something in absentia of material evidence or logical proof. Therefore, it is illogical to have 'faith'. Even the Bible demands proof of all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

    Perhaps your unhappiness comes from something you don't wish to or have yet to examine. Is 'faith' really what you need? Do you really need to believe in something that is unproven or lacking in material evidence?

    Perhaps what you really need is to define your 'Spirituality'. There are 4 areas of human need -- Physical, Emotional, Mental, and Spiritual. In which of these areas do you require the belief in something without material evidence or logical proof?

  • glenster
    glenster

    You can have faith in something beyond the see-able, touchable, measurable
    things and know you're doing it when you're doing it. A few basics I recommend:
    - don't mess with the see-able, touchable, measurable,
    - nobody should be hurt or killed over these things,
    - don't be too 'centric or you're a pain in the ass either way.

    http://escapefromwatchtower.com/homo.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

    "See that you never despise any of these little ones, for I tell you that
    their angels in heaven are continually in the presence of my Father in heaven."
    (Matthew 18:10, New Jerusalem Bible)

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