When does the one with the Legal right come?

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    When does the one with the legal right come?

    To the last reigning King to sit on Jehovah's Throne at Jerusalem, Jehovah, through the pen of Ezekiel tells us the following:

    25 " 'O profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax, 26 this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low. 27 A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs; to him I will give it.'" {Ezekiel 21:25-27 NIV}

    The Prophet Dainel also gives us a picture of this ruination of Jehovah's Kingdom Authority, his right to rule, pictured by his Throne at Jereusalem, which woud be brought to ruin, when Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE. Note the words of Daniel:

    10 "These are the visions I saw while lying in my bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. 11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth. 12 Its leaves were beautiful, its fruit abundant, and on it was food for all. Under it the beasts of the field found shelter, and the birds of the air lived in its branches; from it every creature was fed.

    13 "In the visions I saw while lying in my bed, I looked, and there before me was a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven. 14 He called in a loud voice: 'Cut down the tree and trim off its branches; strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit. Let the animals flee from under it and the birds from its branches. 15 But let the stump and its roots, bound with iron and bronze, remain in the ground, in the grass of the field. " 'Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven, and let him live with the animals among the plants of the earth. 16 Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal, till seven times pass by for him.

    17 " 'The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men." {Daniel 4:10-17 NIV}

    Before I continue on with this subject, I should like to mention, the fact, that I went into the BibleGateway and checked out 16 different Bible Translations to see how they rendered Matthew 24:3- whether it was PRESENCE, or COMING. 16 different Bible Translations rendered it COMING, but not presence. Only one rendered it as Presence, which was Young's!

    Using this word presence, casts a heavy shadow over the real truth of this matter, because there's a great deal of difference between Coming, and Presence- The word presence aids in teaching a false idea, about the seven times of Daniels Prophecy.

    Copying from a paragragh in one of the Watchtower publications, we read this statement concerning the Tree of Daniel's vision:

    18.-"So God's rulership as represented by the "tree" was cut down down in 607 B.C.E. No longer was there a government to represent God's rulership on earth... {I'll cut into say, I don't agree with what is said next, for my own reasons} ... "Thus in 607 B.C.E. a period of time began that Jesus Christ later referred to as "the appointed time of the Nations," or the times of the Gentiles." During these "appointed times" God did not have a Government to represent his rulership on earth.

    19- "What was to happen at the end of these "appointed times of the Nations"? Jehovah was to give the power to rule to the one who has the "legal right." This one is Jesus Christ. So if we can find out when the "appointed times of the Nations" end, we will know when Christ begins to rule as King." {page 140} {you can live forever in paradise on earth}

    Keep in mind as you read this next scripture, Jesus wasn't talking about ancient Jerusalem. He was giving them a composite sign of his coming, so Jesus there was making reference to the Jerusalem of their own day. What was going to occur from their own day and forward. Jesus had foretold the destruction of the Jewish Temple of worship, telling them that not 'a stone would be left upon a stone and not be thrown down.' {Matthew 24:1,2}

    He warned them ahead of time about Cestius Gallus, leading the Roman Army who would make a thrust right up to the Temple Wall, and then for some unknown reason retreat, and not carry out his attack. That gave them all opportunity to flee into the hills. Those who didn't listen to Jesus warnings, were trapped in that City, when General Titus leading the Roman Army, arrived tearing up Ten Miles of surrounding Forest land, building a wall of pointed stakes all around Jerusalem. No one could get in, or out. Over a Million at that time put to the Sword. Four years after Cestius Gallus attacked in 66 ad! In 70 ad General Titus attacked.

    20`When you see soldiers all around Jerusalem, 66AD- then you will know that it will soon be broken down. 21Then the people in Judea must go quickly to the hills. {Cestius Gallus} Those who are in the city must leave it. Those who are in the country must not come into the city.

    22Those will be days of punishment. All that has been written in the holy writings must happen. 23 In those days it will be very hard for women who are to have a child. It will be very hard for mothers who have babies. There will be big trouble on the earth. God will show his anger to these people. 24They will be killed by swords or long knives. They will be taken away as prisoners to every country. 70AD- Jerusalem will be broken down by people who are not Jews. {General Titus} They will walk over it until the end of their allowed time." {Luke 21:20-24 WENT}

    Although it's true at the end of the seven times, there would be a marked event occur, but it wasn't the end of the appointed times of the Nations, nor was it the time for the Christ to take Kingdom Power, his invisible presence, as is claimed.

    I'm not going to bother about going into the mathematics of this seven times, however; it is true, that beginning in 607 BCE, and counting 2,520 years from that date puts you at the year 1914 - so something very siginicant, should have occured in 1914, and it actually did. Only not something any would grasp with the naked eye, and I don't mean the invisible presence of the Christ. That never occured, in spite of claims to the contrary. What did occur then? It had to be something noteworthy:

    Recall all of the events the Christ foretold to identify the time period that would see his coming? Note what he said about those events:

    8 "All these events are the beginning of birth pains." {Matthew 24:8 HCSB} These events in question began in the year 1914, but does the beginning of birth pangs mean the Baby is already delivered? The Governing Body of the Watchtower Soceity will tell us:Yes! "That is the case!" "Only this Baby is invisible!" They will have us believe!

    We'll remember the scripture in Ezekiel made mention the Kingdom would not be 'as it was.' In other words, at that time when Jerusalem was destroyed, it was an earthly Kingdom; but when the one with the Legal right arrived, it would now be a heavenly Kingdom. The earthly Kingdom, Jerusalem, that pictured Jehovah's right to rule was brought low, the Gentiles, who were considered low, were put on high; and would maintain that High position until the one with the legal right came, at which time he would depose them from office and take the reigns of power himself, as prophesied he would.

    Recall! I said I didn't agree with this following statement made by the Watchtower Society, and I'll explain now why I don't.

    First re-read the statement:

    "Thus in 607 B.C.E. a period of time began that Jesus Christ later referred to as "the appointed time of the Nations," or the times of the Gentiles." During these "appointed times" God did not have a Government to represent his rulership on earth.

    19- "What was to happen at the end of these "appointed times of the Nations"? Jehovah was to give the power to rule to the one who has the "legal right." This one is Jesus Christ. So if we can find out when the "appointed times of the Nations" end, we will know when Christ begins to rule as King." {page 140} {you can live forever in paradise on earth}

    They calculate those appointed times as to being, 2,520 years long, counting from 607 BCE. Telling us those appointed times ended with the installation of God's ruling King Christ Jesus. Telling us he was invisibly present in that year, and crowned as King of God's Kingdom.

    Recall the events the Christ foretold to identify the time period he would come into Kingdom Power, and I made mention he told us that this was only the beginning of birth pangs of the Kingdom. You will recall I mentioned: "do the first or beginning of Birth pangs mean the Baby is deliverd?" As follows:

    8 "But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come." {Matthew 24:8 NLT}

    8 "These things are like the first pains when something new is about to be born."{Matthew 24:8 NCV}

    So, the appointed ruler of God's Kingdom is telling us here, that he wasn't invisibly present in 1914 at all! The Kingdom had not even been Born, as yet. It was yet to come, as the birth pangs increased, until, as it says, 'something new would be born.'

    As to why I don't believe those times have ended, and why their count didn't begin in 607 BCE. Those times happen to be running right at this very moment in time, and the reason why they are, is, satan has not been deposed as god of this World as yet. He is still holding that office. That office he holds belongs to the Christ, the future ruling King of God's Kingdom. While he holds that office he tramples on divine rulership. His Religious Organization Babylon the Great is still flourishing , trampling on the truth of Jehovah's word. Only when satan is chained and abyssed for the Thousand year period, and his Religious empire completely destroyed, will those appointed times end. So their count of time has to be inaccurate, being as it is still running right now. It could not have begun in 607 B.C.E. and ended in 1914 if it is still running right now., and it most certainly is.

    We know the year 1914 did mark something momentous in human history, since that time prophecy did land exactly on that year, but what was it? Who would know more about the Bible than anyone else? Jesus! Correct? With that thought in mind, when Jesus said, 'these are only the beginning of Birth Pangs,' where do we suppose his mind was very probably focused? Would it not have been right here, in John's Revelation? When those Birth Pangs, or labor pains had first begun?

    Following is the momentous event that occured in the year 1914, at the end of the seven times:

    1 "Then I witnessed in heaven an event of great significance. I saw a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon beneath her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant, and she cried out because of her labor pains and the agony of giving birth." {Revelation 12:1,2 NLT} Time for the Kingdom to be Born! But what happens, when it does come? John will go onto explain that, as well:

    7"And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
    "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
    and the authority of his Christ.
    For the accuser of our brothers,
    who accuses them before our God day and night,
    has been hurled down.
    11They overcame him
    by the blood of the Lamb
    and by the word of their testimony;
    they did not love their lives so much
    as to shrink from death.
    12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
    and you who dwell in them!
    But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
    He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his

    time is short."

    13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child." {Revelation 12:7-13 NIV}

    Notice! The Kingdom of God has now come! Jehovah's Christ now holds Authority as the reigning King. Jehovah's Heavenly Woman had now reached the end of her labor pains, and given birth to the Male Child. The one with the legal right had finally come! But Invisibly Present? No! He had actually come into Kingdom Power! He had, COME! He wasn't as the Governing Body teaches their followers, invisibly present in 1914! The main reason being, he hasn't even as yet COME! That heavenly Woman is still undergoing those pains of labor! We await her, to yet give birth to this Male Man Child. For the one with the Legal right to claim his right, and come Lord Jesus! Claim your Legal right!

    When does the one with the Legal Right Come? Not even the one with the Legal right knew that, so how could any of us? Just knowing he's coming should be sufficient for us. Wannabe

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    When does the one with the Legal Right Come?

    Kinda like asking, When do our cars begin to float on the clouds like the one in Chitty-Chitty Bang-Bang. Fairytales do not really happen I am afraid.

    Jeff

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